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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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JohnnyHammersticks 10:14 AM 12-16-2021

NEW: Cornell University goes remote after reporting over 900 COVID cases this week, VP for University Relations Joel Malina says "virtually every" case has been found in fully-vaccinated students, many of whom received the booster shot - CNN

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) December 15, 2021

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O.city 10:18 AM 12-16-2021
The issue is hospitals and the level of care. It's already strained.
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TLO 10:21 AM 12-16-2021
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Looking like 3-4 week flare periods in South Africa.

This is essentially a brush-fire. It'll burn hot and fast through undergrowth with no real long-term damage done. In the end it'll probably be a net benefit if it just serves to continue cycling antibodies through the population.

This is just another step forward in thing thing turning into a common cold. The usual suspects just need their fear porn.
I hope you're right
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penguinz 10:21 AM 12-16-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
The issue is hospitals and the level of care. It's already strained.
My wife is at Centerpoint Hospital right now and they are at capacity. Nurse said they have some Covid patients but most of the admissions are not Covid related.
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Chiefnj2 10:22 AM 12-16-2021
Close to 30% positivity rate in South Africa is insane and climbing.

The positive news about T cell testing and omicron didn't and isn't making quite the news splash as the WARNING WARNING DANGER news about neutralizing anitbodies.
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ghak99 10:53 AM 12-16-2021
Originally Posted by penguinz:
My wife is at Centerpoint Hospital right now and they are at capacity. Nurse said they have some Covid patients but most of the admissions are not Covid related.
My grandmother just spent a few weeks at a hospital and then a week of recovery at a local hospital. The first large Metro area hospital was near capacity for the whole time, but Covid was not the main issue. Only two people a day could visit her so my visits were rare, but I couldn't get anyone to tell me what was actually filling their beds if it wasn't covid.

A while ago a special needs child I know was in for a long stint. They were "over capacity" then and the large majority of the beds were noncovid. If I remember right, it was a major influenza outbreak among children filling 80% of their beds. That was his reason for being there.

Considering that some are hinting at declining care for the non vaccinated, it might be time people quit pointing the finger at others and start asking why "beds are expensive" has our health care facilities choosing to walk the line instead of being prepared for the known.
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DJ's left nut 12:03 PM 12-16-2021
Originally Posted by penguinz:
My wife is at Centerpoint Hospital right now and they are at capacity. Nurse said they have some Covid patients but most of the admissions are not Covid related.
It's that time of year.

Hospitals were ALWAYS strained from December through about mid-February even before COVID.

It's respiratory virus season - it happens.
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DJ's left nut 12:09 PM 12-16-2021
Originally Posted by ghak99:
Considering that some are hinting at declining care for the non vaccinated, it might be time people quit pointing the finger at others and start asking why "beds are expensive" has our health care facilities choosing to walk the line instead of being prepared for the known.
Because many hospitals, and damn near all rural hospitals, lose money as it stands.

They can't staff up and down; the training is simply too intense. So they shoot for the middle and they're overstaffed during summer months, understaffed during the peak. You can't just staff for a 10 week peak and then just carry it for the other 9+ months. Especially not smaller rural hospitals.

They're choosing to 'walk the line' because the alternative is closing their doors. And yes, many try to hire traveling nurses during peak but so is everyone else and they're expensive as HELL on a per unit basis.

Even on a nationwide basis, if you were increase the supply of nurses to an acceptable level for peak season (typically the choke point), they'd be sitting a whole lot of ass the other 9 months of the year. And who wants to do that? Who's going to go through the training and certification to show up for 3 months and then get turfed again?

There's nothing resembling an easy solution here and it's a reality hospitals have faced for literally decades. People acting like this is new simply haven't been paying attention.
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dirk digler 12:29 PM 12-16-2021
Originally Posted by penguinz:
My wife is at Centerpoint Hospital right now and they are at capacity. Nurse said they have some Covid patients but most of the admissions are not Covid related.
Have a feeling that is about to change

https://marc2.org/covidhub/
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TimBone 01:24 PM 12-16-2021
Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks:
Are we guessing this is already Omicron running rampant in parts of the U.S.? Or Delta hitting people in their waning months of vaccine immunity prior to a booster?
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jdubya 01:24 PM 12-16-2021
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
It's that time of year.

Hospitals were ALWAYS strained from December through about mid-February even before COVID.

It's respiratory virus season - it happens.
Thank you. Seems many believe hospitals in normal times are ghost towns with 100`s of empty beds but obviously that is not the case. Hospitals are almost always at near capacity and then truly are at capacity during the flu season.
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suzzer99 01:28 PM 12-16-2021
Originally Posted by TimBone:
Are we guessing this is already Omicron running rampant in parts of the U.S.? Or Delta hitting people in their waning months of vaccine immunity prior to a booster?
I'm guessing #2 mostly. In about a month it will be Omicron.
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O.city 01:35 PM 12-16-2021
Well, I think we can atleast put to bed the whole "it was widespread in late 19, early 20 everywhere" thing. Either we're seeing alot of reinfections or there was always alot of people who had never had it out there.
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lawrenceRaider 01:37 PM 12-16-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
Well, I think we can atleast put to bed the whole "it was widespread in late 19, early 20 everywhere" thing. Either we're seeing alot of reinfections or there was always alot of people who had never had it out there.
Why do you say that? Reports out of SA say people with preexisting infections are getting Omicron at a pretty high rate.
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O.city 01:40 PM 12-16-2021
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
Why do you say that? Reports out of SA say people with preexisting infections are getting Omicron at a pretty high rate.
The amount of infections being found now would lead to there being a gigantic number of reinfections. I would seriously doubt that's the case this quickly but if it is, it puts the whole "natural immunity is sturdy and long term" thing in question as well.
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