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Nzoner's Game Room>Orlando Brown Projected Contract 6 year $145 mil
dlphg9 08:17 PM 03-28-2022
So there's an article on NFL network saying that Orlando Brown is expected to sign for 6 years $145 mil.

That comes to $24.16 mil/yr and makes him the highest paid offensive lineman in football. It also would give him the 19th highest salary per year in the NFL

How would you feel if that is the contract he ended up signing?

I'm fine with it. He is a top 5 LT and he's only 26 next season. A young great LT is a guy you can't let leave.
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kccrow 02:20 PM 06-19-2022
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
I don’t care what the flashy AAV looks like if you just look at the deal itself. All I care about is the actual deal.

If he gets 6/145, for example, but that includes a $40 million year six cap hit that clearly won’t get paid, it’s an awesome deal.

You can say “oh, the AAV is too high at $24.25M/year,“ but really you’re paying him 5/100 and either moving on or extending him in year6.
I already talked about AAV pages ago, and here we are back to the same shit, so I'll just repeat myself. Do me a favor and tell me how many top-5 contracts don't have a backload. Of course, it's going to be backloaded. That's why everyone talks about it in AAV, to keep it simple. Yeah, he's going to probably have 15m in year one and 35m in year 5 and I really do not give a fuck. Look at the middle years and they'll tend to be right around AAV. At the end of the day, if you chop off everyone's final season and everyone's AAV drops, then you're still at the same comparison level. So, you've done nothing for your argument whatsoever. He's still being paid too high relative to his peers for similar performance. I don't have to agree with it nor like it, and I don't, but it's likely going to happen anyhow.
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RunKC 03:07 PM 06-19-2022
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I already talked about AAV pages ago, and here we are back to the same shit, so I'll just repeat myself. Do me a favor and tell me how many top-5 contracts don't have a backload. Of course, it's going to be backloaded. That's why everyone talks about it in AAV, to keep it simple. Yeah, he's going to probably have 15m in year one and 35m in year 5 and I really do not give a ****. Look at the middle years and they'll tend to be right around AAV. At the end of the day, if you chop off everyone's final season and everyone's AAV drops, then you're still at the same comparison level. So, you've done nothing for your argument whatsoever. He's still being paid too high relative to his peers for similar performance. I don't have to agree with it nor like it, and I don't, but it's likely going to happen anyhow.
Welcome to the NFL where roughly 10% (at most) of the big money contracts actually are worth it.

Von Miller
JJ Watt
Justin Houston
Kirk Cousins
Russell Wilson
Dak Prescott
Khalil Mack
Eric Berry
Eric Fisher

There are countless examples. So yeah we’re going to pay Brown Jr a backloaded contract full of money he’ll never see in the end like any other player. Get the fuck over it.

Unless you want to try your hand at FA to pay the same money for a non-elite LT bc elite LT’s rarely if ever leave their teams bc they get taken care of. Oh and good luck in the draft. It’s been shown that a LT as good as Brown Jr is mostly picked in the top 12-13 picks so again we’re giving up a ton of draft assets to push our team back even further in Mahomes prime years bc only one LT (Darrisaw) who is similar in talent has been available past pick 20 in the last 5 drafts.

Seriously just fuck off with this shit people. There are no options and Brown Jr is a quality reliable tackle.

It’s gonna happen and you’re gonna have to deal with it regardless
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Tribal Warfare 03:59 PM 06-19-2022
Originally Posted by RunKC:

Seriously just fuck off with this shit people. There are no options and Brown Jr is a quality reliable tackle.

It’s gonna happen and you’re gonna have to deal with it regardless
If you look at Geron Christian's passblocking profile he could pull it off
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staylor26 04:01 PM 06-19-2022
Originally Posted by louie aguiar:
It’s relevant because he’s asking for a contract that could make him the highest paid tackle in the nfl. If he’s not the worst LT in the division, he’s the second worst. Woohoo I guess. I don’t mind paying him a reasonable contract but I would be careful not to commit too much to the guy.
I don't know how many times it has to be said, but when you have a guy that is entering their prime, acending, and playing a premium position, that's just how it works.

You could be the Jags overpaying to keep a LT that isn't even good.

Teams just aren't going to let those guys walk and put their franchise QB in danger if they don't have to.
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staylor26 04:01 PM 06-19-2022
Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare:
If you look at Geron Christian's passblocking profile he could pull it off
Thank god you aren't in charge.
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kccrow 04:02 PM 06-19-2022
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Welcome to the NFL where roughly 10% (at most) of the big money contracts actually are worth it.

...

So yeah we’re going to pay Brown Jr a backloaded contract full of money he’ll never see in the end like any other player. Get the fuck over it.
Yes, very rare it's ever worth it. Makes the whole "suck it up buttercup" type of point a bit worrisome, doesn't it?

...

If we do sign him, we do. I fully expect it even if I don't fully support it. I'd like to see another season of him before handing him that type of deal. I mean, one year of mediocre play doesn't tell me "hand the guy the biggest bag!" I do understand the fundamentals driving your argument though. He doesn't completely suck even if he isn't also all-world, and he's available. Like I've said, that's valuable. I'd re-sign him for that alone, but not for the fullest Brinks truck. Now, if he proved he could be better than this past season? Yes, I'd back it up. I do get the Chiefs are in the position of pretty much needing to take that chance at this point, and it could end up well worth it.
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Tribal Warfare 04:04 PM 06-19-2022
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Thank god you aren't in charge.

Geron Christian's 78.8 Pass Blocking Grade in 2021 ranked 15th among Tackles (min 500 snaps)

Welcome to KC, Geron! pic.twitter.com/cqRqew0PWB

— PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) March 21, 2022

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staylor26 04:16 PM 06-19-2022
Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare:
Yes, I think he's a pretty decent swing tackle.

But in no way would I want to bank on him as my starting LT.
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Tribal Warfare 04:21 PM 06-19-2022
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Yes, I think he's a pretty decent swing tackle.

But in no way would I want to bank on him as my starting LT.

If OBJ is being an asshole, I'd definitely roll with Christian.


Orlando is an elite run locker but is very average at passblocking
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Chief Pagan 04:28 PM 06-19-2022
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Welcome to the NFL where roughly 10% (at most) of the big money contracts actually are worth it.

Von Miller
JJ Watt
Justin Houston
Kirk Cousins
Russell Wilson
Dak Prescott
Khalil Mack
Eric Berry
Eric Fisher

There are countless examples. So yeah we’re going to pay Brown Jr a backloaded contract full of money he’ll never see in the end like any other player. Get the **** over it.

Unless you want to try your hand at FA to pay the same money for a non-elite LT bc elite LT’s rarely if ever leave their teams bc they get taken care of. Oh and good luck in the draft. It’s been shown that a LT as good as Brown Jr is mostly picked in the top 12-13 picks so again we’re giving up a ton of draft assets to push our team back even further in Mahomes prime years bc only one LT (Darrisaw) who is similar in talent has been available past pick 20 in the last 5 drafts.

Seriously just **** off with this shit people. There are no options and Brown Jr is a quality reliable tackle.

It’s gonna happen and you’re gonna have to deal with it regardless
So I understand Brown has the leverage and hopefully he and KC can come up with a back loaded deal both can sign off on and he does get better and everything is rainbows and unicorns.

But isn't there some point where KC has to walk away from the deal? Isn't there any amount of fully guaranteed money you would say that's just too much?

I suppose the dignified answer is to quit having the same discussion over and over again and just wait and see what he is willing to sign for. But that's rather boring.

I hope it works out both from a contract and performance perspective, but I'm not as optimistic as I was with say resigning Chris Jones the first time around.
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tredadda 05:00 PM 06-19-2022
Originally Posted by RunKC:
A top LT contract would be 10th in the NFL for non-QB’s. What’s interesting is that Trent Williams guaranteed money is $40 million which is a lot less than other players.

For example Aaron Donald is $46 million and Tyreek Hill is $52 million

I still maintain that these guys like Nick Bosa are going to take a blowtorch to the position and demand Tyreek Hill money bc they are more valuable players than WR’s.

Just wait. Pass rushers and tackles are coming for that money. They know they have the leverage.
The three most important positions on the field are the QB, the guy who rushes the QB, and the guy who protects the QB’s blindside. Knowing that it’s inevitable that the last two are going to want to be paid accordingly.
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BossChief 05:12 PM 06-19-2022
Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare:
If he was coached by his father he'd know what to say, like Pat Sr did with Patrick.

Then there's the fact that he didn't get in shape for the combine like Jordan Davis to avoid having " The worst combine ever".

The kid isn't the second coming of Willie Roaf or Tony Boselli
He doesn’t fucking need to be.

Jesus.

You guy should just come to grips that Willie Roaf is gone. We tried to get Silverback, but it didn’t work out and the kid we got is solid, showed improvement as the season progressed, lost a bunch of weight in the offseason and is putting in a lot of work on technique. He and Pat are developing chemistry to where they will find tune the dropbacks. Playing next to a guy like Thuney will help him continue to fine tune how they deal with pass rushers that Orlando doesn’t match well with, skill set wise.

The kid should develop into a strong pass blocker.
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duncan_idaho 05:24 PM 06-19-2022
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I already talked about AAV pages ago, and here we are back to the same shit, so I'll just repeat myself. Do me a favor and tell me how many top-5 contracts don't have a backload. Of course, it's going to be backloaded. That's why everyone talks about it in AAV, to keep it simple. Yeah, he's going to probably have 15m in year one and 35m in year 5 and I really do not give a ****. Look at the middle years and they'll tend to be right around AAV. At the end of the day, if you chop off everyone's final season and everyone's AAV drops, then you're still at the same comparison level. So, you've done nothing for your argument whatsoever. He's still being paid too high relative to his peers for similar performance. I don't have to agree with it nor like it, and I don't, but it's likely going to happen anyhow.
A deal that is REALLY 5/105 is too high? Because I know you've said before that his true peers are guys like Jake Matthews, who recently signed an extension that added 3/55M to his deal, making his total contract remaining 5/104M.

Keeping it in AAV does keep it simple. But some of these deals are being designed with an ego-stroke throw-away year on them, and some of them are not.

That 's a difficult thing for me to swallow considering what guys in his tier and below his tier have gotten on recent deals.
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Tribal Warfare 05:36 PM 06-19-2022
Originally Posted by BossChief:
He doesn’t fucking need to .

The kid should develop into a strong pass blocker.
I don't believe he has to drive to do so, with all the shit he's doing to trim down and working with other specialists during a contract year.

OBJ wasn't doing this shit during his draft process which he had the resources to do so considering who his dad was. " I'm proud to be the most unathletic player ever"

"Look how he's working hard"

With the cash he wants unless he'll take a discount, Orlando will be held to the Willie Roaf tier.
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Chief Roundup 05:56 PM 06-19-2022
Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare:
With the cash, he wants unless he'll take a discount, Orlando will be held to the Willie Roaf tier.
By whom, you?
You don't seriously think that means a DAMN thing, do you?
Fans think their opinions mean something and they don't mean jack or shit.
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