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Lenny "The Cool" Lounge>Frank Clark fucking sucks
RealSNR 02:33 PM 09-15-2019
Guy has done NOTHING in two games. Barely any pressures to speak of against trash OTs.

Yeah, I'm in bitchy gameday mode. Don't care. I'm tired of paying out the ass for defensive players who don't make plays.

At least Justin Houston could dominate against bad teams after we paid him.
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DJ's left nut 02:18 PM 11-12-2019
Originally Posted by mcaj22:
I thought a report came out the Texans cane to the Chiefs about Clowney and the Chiefs wanted no part of him. They were absolutely locked in on Clark to the point they overbid against themselves.

I would be really curious what evaluation factors the Chiefs use...old school eye talent/tape or full blown analytics. It certainly isnt moneyball I know that and nobody anymore can say Clark is cheap. This group has gotten ownership to constantly overpay for players more than I have ever seen. Most of them have backfired terribly.
That's what they say, yes.

Veach fucked up horribly.
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DJ's left nut 02:20 PM 11-12-2019
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Clowney couldnít get double-digit sacks playing with Watt and Mercilus for 4 years. Heís on pace for like 5 sacks this year.

Heís been a bust if you compare the hype he got coming out of college.
You didnt watch that game last night did you?

The guys been great this year and destroyed the 9ers yesterday. You're just not watching him if you insist on banging this drum. He does so much more than just rush the passer and if that's all you wanted then you should've loved Dee Ford.
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IowaHawkeyeChief 02:25 PM 11-12-2019
Houston wasn't trading Clowney to an AFC team... Stop with the we should have Clowney instead of Clark...it never would have happened.
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DJ's left nut 02:26 PM 11-12-2019
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
Houston wasn't trading Clowney to an AFC team... Stop with the we should have Clowney instead of Clark...it never would have happened.
That's not what's been reported.

He would've cost more than the 3rd Seattle gave up but a 2nd likely gets it done.

Yes, it absolutely could have happened. Veach locked in and overpaid. As is his custom.
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Marcellus 02:28 PM 11-12-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
That's not what's been reported.

He would've cost more than the 3rd Seattle gave up but a 2nd likely gets it done.

Yes, it absolutely could have happened. Veach locked in and overpaid. As is his custom.
You have been on the CLark hate train since day one, lets not act like you are remotely objective on this topic.

Clowney is way overrated. Period.
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TEX 02:34 PM 11-12-2019
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
Houston wasn't trading Clowney to an AFC team... Stop with the we should have Clowney instead of Clark...it never would have happened.
That's not true. The Texans did inquire about trading Clowney to the Chiefs, but the Chiefs were not interested because they were already very much dialed in on Frank Clark.
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RunKC 02:35 PM 11-12-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Bullshit. Frank Clark has been an average run defender and system rusher his whole career.

The Texans built schemes around Clowneys versatility and his ability to dominate was on clear display last night against an undefeated football team. Clark was a situational rusher who the Seahawks ditched the moment it was time to pay him.

Again - find me a 3 time pro bowler who's worse than a direct contemporary with ZERO honors from the league. Clark's excellence is a myth manufactured on CP to justify a ****ing terrible decision by Veach and had the Raiders made that decision you'd have laughed your ass off.
Then stop paying these guys big money. Seriously. Not Clark, not Clowney, not Jones.

How many huge contracts to defensive players have produced the ROI in your lifetime?

Houstonís knee, Berryís Achilles, Clarkís nerve damage, Honey Badger being lazy. Jesus Iím so sick and tired of putting everything into these guys and see why the Patriots donít do it.
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TEX 02:39 PM 11-12-2019
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Then stop paying these guys big money. Seriously. Not Clark, not Clowney, not Jones.

How many huge contracts to defensive players have produced the ROI in your lifetime?

Houstonís knee, Berryís Achilles, Clarkís nerve damage, Honey Badger being lazy. Jesus Iím so sick and tired of putting everything into these guys and see why the Patriots donít do it.
I'm on board with this. Pick and choose wisely if you do and keep it to a minimum.
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Marcellus 02:48 PM 11-12-2019
Originally Posted by TEX:
I'm on board with this. Pick and choose wisely if you do and keep it to a minimum.
Problem we had this offseason is the defense was soooo bad last year and then add a scheme change to the mix, we had to sign some FA guys to improve for a real SB run.

Safety was a HUGE need, and we weren't keeping Houston at his salary so cutting him opened a bunch of $ available to spend on defense and needed a pass rusher.

The results have been hit and miss really. I know the last loss makes it look bad but the defense is better and has shown flashes of real improvement but its been a 2 steps forward one step back kind of season so far.

People wanted a middle of the road defense, well we have one.
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DJ's left nut 02:50 PM 11-12-2019
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
You have been on the CLark hate train since day one, lets not act like you are remotely objective on this topic.

Clowney is way overrated. Period.
And supported WHY.

Oh, and was proven right.

So there's that.
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Marcellus 02:58 PM 11-12-2019
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
And supported WHY.

Oh, and was proven right.

So there's that.
We will see, the book isn't written yet regardless of how many times you do victory laps this week.
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DJ's left nut 03:06 PM 11-12-2019
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
We will see, the book isn't written yet regardless of how many times you do victory laps this week.
Yeah. THIS week...
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dlphg9 03:28 PM 11-12-2019
Originally Posted by Aspengc8:
It's not an option, its inside zone down blocking and a double on the playside 3 tech. Tannehill is handing off regardless, its the play call. Later on they did come back and run bootleg and even waggle by pulling a lineman across. Jones is just too slow to scrape down and then still recover on a boot. He's great if teams are running more outside zone as he can hold point of attack vs TE's, but when teams run away you need to be able to read/scrape and recover.
The actual play call is not the point. In that moment in time Chris Jones didnt know what the play call was. All he knows is that his responsibility is to make sure no one gets around the edge. Hes not supposed to crash down because he knows that Tannehill could still have that ball. If the Titans see him crashing down, then they are going to call a boot leg and have a big play because Jones isn't doing his job. That is not his responsibility. How is this such a hard concept to follow?
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ThaVirus 03:34 PM 11-12-2019
Originally Posted by Aspengc8:
It's not an option, its inside zone down blocking and a double on the playside 3 tech. Tannehill is handing off regardless, its the play call. Later on they did come back and run bootleg and even waggle by pulling a lineman across. Jones is just too slow to scrape down and then still recover on a boot. He's great if teams are running more outside zone as he can hold point of attack vs TE's, but when teams run away you need to be able to read/scrape and recover.

I donít think there are many DEs in the league who could have kept contain on the bootleg and still been able to collapse on the running back. Itís just too much ground to cover with the DT getting washed so thoroughly.

Hilariously, Clowney is probably one of a handful that actually could cover that much ground.
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RunKC 11:34 PM 11-12-2019
If this is true then JFC what in the ****?! Absolutely no excuse for this at all

Yup. Saw this in real time. Frank Clark was late getting onto the field. Ran on and then ran back out. Henry walked right in. Brendan Daly lit into him on the sidelines. https://t.co/tiw3bHYVtx

— Chase Snyder (@ChasingSnyder) November 13, 2019

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