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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>*** 2022 Mock Draft Megathread ***
duncan_idaho 12:45 PM 11-23-2021
Got a mock? Pop it in this thread. Include a picture if you want. Explain your reasoning if you want. Talk about your crushes... if you want.

See a good "pro" mock? Link it up in here and I'll add it to the OP.

Duncan's latest mock

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The Draft Network This mock seems to be the most accurate site right now, so I go with this one. I don't pay for it, so no trades here. The plan is for this to be my last mock. I'm going to do it differently, though. I'm running 3 scenarios, and eschewing the 7th round picks, which I would use on a big swings on athleticism and potential. Lotto tickets. James Houston IV is one of them. Note: I used PFF to simulate the trade action, then manually backed up in the 2 "trade" drafts to make selections. Laborious, but gives you best of both worlds, IMO. I think PFF's trade tool is the best, but its board is whack.

Draft slot: 29

Scenario 1: The Chiefs sit pat with their picks and don't make any moves at all. Seems the least likely, but hey...
1.29 | George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue.
1.30 | Boye Mafe, DE, Minnesota.
2.50 | George Pickens, WR, Georgia.
2.62 | Travis Jones, DT, UConn.
3.94 | Zyon McCollum, CB, Sam Houston State.
3.103(Comp for Poles) | Troy Andersen, LB, Montana State.
4.121 | Coby Bryant, CB, Cincinnati.
4.135 | Velus Jones, Jr., Tennessee

Scenario 1 Debrief:
So, sitting and waiting to see what comes to me was pretty successful here. The Chiefs FLOOD the defensive line with reinforcements, including at least 1 ready-made starter and two guys who should - at minimum - be in 50/50 rotations at their spots by year end. The Chiefs still get a big outside WR with tantalizing potential. They add some crazy athletic small-school guys, and a mid-round corner who just fits in the system, and a dynamo return man who might be more at WR.

This looks pretty good. Though I have a hard time believing Karlaftis just falls to 29...

Scenario 2: The Chiefs get aggressive and trade up. But for what? In this case, let's go wide receiver. In this run, Kansas City trades picks 29, 62, and a 2023 3rd to Houston for pick 13 and a 2023 4th, because they ARE as obsessed with a WR as people expect and are aggressive to go get him when the board falls right. They then trade BACK from 30 to 35 with the Jets, also including pick 94 in order to get 69 back. Then, last but not least, KC gets aggressive one more time and moves 103 and 121 for 85 from New England, leaving the Chiefs with 6 picks in the first four rounds.
1.13 | Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama.
2.35 | Cam Thomas, DE, San Diego State.
2.50 | Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor.
3.69 | Zachary Carter, DT, Florida.
3.85 | Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss.
4.135 | Jaylen Watson, CB, Washington State

Scenario 2 Debrief:
I'm not saying KC should do this or even that I think they will (more on that in a few minutes). I'm just saying, man, what will it look like if the Chiefs get aggressive a few times AND are doing the big move for a WR? In this scenario, KC obviously believes Williams is a game-changer at the NFL level and is taking a small 2022 hit to make 2023+ better. The defensive line still gets reinforced, but the reinforcements are all a shade worse than the sit-pat draft option. If you like Kingsley Enagbare or Josh PAscal more than Thomas, I get it and wouldn't quibble at one of those guys instead. Logan Hall, too. Pitre is such a screaming perfect fit for KC's D. Carter is a great physical talent you can dream about coaching up. Williams' utility is known and gives them a true RE option to pair against their higher-drafted bigger guy. Watson is a developmental corner.

I don't love it. I think Pitre makes the secondary a lot better and makes it easier to move on from Thornhill after 22. They have improved the defensive rotation, though one of the DEs would need to outperform expectations in Year 1 to get it to the same level as Scenario 1. In all, giving up the 2 extra selections in the top 4 rounds hurts the depth you can build, but I think it's more like what KC will do.

Scenario 3: Same movements as #2
1.13 | Jermaine Johnson II, DE, Florida State.
2.35 | Christian Watson, WR, North Dakota State.
2.50 | Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss.
3.69 | Bryan Cook, S, Cincinnati.
3.85 | Martin Emerson, CB, Miss. State.
4.135 | Braxton Jones, T, Southern Utah

Scenario 3 Debrief:
This is the type of situation where I see KC paying the price to move up... if Johnson falls this far, I'd be shocked if KC isn't aggressively moving up. With this run, I take a risky but high upside WR in Watson (but you could sub in Pickens or Jahan Dotson or Tolbert or Metchie or Skyy Moore or really any of those tier 2 guys here if you prefer). The secondary reinforcements aren't flashy but are good fits.

In this one, I think the plan has to become adding either another safety or corner in free agency before the season. Ideally, it's someone who can handle the slot and let Sneed thriver on the outside. The DL gets a major boost and some potential star power in Johnson and Williams, and the OL gets another T option and potential long-term starter to develop.

Having completed the exercise and looking at the scenariors, I like the first one the most. But it really does come down to how the board breaks.

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Nightfyre 03:09 PM 04-15-2022
Originally Posted by O.city:
They’re gonna take guys who’ll piss you guys off

I’m here for it
100%
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DJ's left nut 03:12 PM 04-15-2022
Originally Posted by O.city:
They’re gonna take guys who’ll piss you guys off

I’m here for it
If they take Cine and Moore they goddamn will, that's for sure.

Fortunately they won't.
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The Franchise 03:18 PM 04-15-2022
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The KCLab podcast (with Craig Stout and those guys) had us taking Lewis Cine at 29 and Skyy Moore at 30.

And with that I was done listening.

That's a fascinating combination of 2 pre-draft camps. The "WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE WRS AND DBS!!" camp and the "OH MY GOD THERE ARE 65 GUYS TAHT ARE GOING TO BE SELECTED BY PICK 29!!!!!" camp.

Which is to say, that would be a monumental shit-fest of a draft.

And no, there's no chance it happens. I'd say there's less than a 1% chance of EITHER of those picks happening. There is a literal zero percent chance of both.
I've really had to stop listening to them. Matt Lane DESPISED the Creed Humphrey pick last year because of "positional value". He's also shit on a mock draft that had us taking Travis Jones at 30 because "a NT in the 1st is a waste of a pick".

And just so you know....Matt Lane is also the one that compared Karlaftis to Breeland Speaks.
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Nightfyre 03:24 PM 04-15-2022
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The KCLab podcast (with Craig Stout and those guys) had us taking Lewis Cine at 29 and Skyy Moore at 30.

And with that I was done listening.

That's a fascinating combination of 2 pre-draft camps. The "WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE WRS AND DBS!!" camp and the "OH MY GOD THERE ARE 65 GUYS TAHT ARE GOING TO BE SELECTED BY PICK 29!!!!!" camp.

Which is to say, that would be a monumental shit-fest of a draft.

And no, there's no chance it happens. I'd say there's less than a 1% chance of EITHER of those picks happening. There is a literal zero percent chance of both.
You would have to take 45-50 guys off the board before pick 29 for me to get on board with Cine at 29.
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DJ's left nut 03:24 PM 04-15-2022
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
I've really had to stop listening to them. Matt Lane DESPISED the Creed Humphrey pick last year because of "positional value". He's also shit on a mock draft that had us taking Travis Jones at 30 because "a NT in the 1st is a waste of a pick".

And just so you know....Matt Lane is also the one that compared Karlaftis to Breeland Speaks.
I haven't really listened to any of them as much. The locked on podcast, whoever that founder/main host is sounds like such a low-energy mouth-breather that I finally gave up.

And the KCN crew speaks with such an air of unassailability that it kinda annoys me. Y'all get stuff wrong all the time.

Times ours is about the only one I listen to anymore and mostly because it's just funny. I just happened to see someone link to the mock on my twitter feed and it said who they took.
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The Franchise 03:27 PM 04-15-2022
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I haven't really listened to any of them as much. The locked on podcast, whoever that founder/main host is sounds like such a low-energy mouth-breather that I finally gave up.

And the KCN crew speaks with such an air of unassailability that it kinda annoys me. Y'all get stuff wrong all the time.

Times ours is about the only one I listen to anymore and mostly because it's just funny. I just happened to see someone link to the mock on my twitter feed and it said who they took.
I listened to them back when they were the Arrowhead Pride Draft Lab last year and I stopped after the draft because of exactly that. Swanson and Lane talk like they're never wrong and if you don't agree with them....then you have no clue what you're talking about.

Times Ours is the only one I listen to. Nate Taylor brings the connection to the team. Seth brings the analytics and film study stuff (I know a good number of people don't like him) and Brisco is the host.

They also don't pretend to know shit about who the Chiefs should draft. They just have the guys they like and go from there.
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TambaBerry 03:30 PM 04-15-2022
Originally Posted by chop:
CBS sports just came out with a new mock.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...ence-pays-off/

Chiefs get Boye Mafe and George Pickens
That's almost worst case scenario of picks before the Chiefs
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Nightfyre 03:31 PM 04-15-2022
Originally Posted by TambaBerry:
That's almost worst case scenario of picks before the Chiefs
If we pick Mafe over Dax, I will be drinking heavily.
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TambaBerry 03:33 PM 04-15-2022
Originally Posted by Nightfyre:
If we pick Mafe over Dax, I will be drinking heavily.
Idk what it is about him but I just couldn't get excited about drafting Mafe. Obviously they're the experts so if they think he is the guy then I'll support it but damn
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duncan_idaho 03:34 PM 04-15-2022
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The KCLab podcast (with Craig Stout and those guys) had us taking Lewis Cine at 29 and Skyy Moore at 30.

And with that I was done listening.

That's a fascinating combination of 2 pre-draft camps. The "WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE WRS AND DBS!!" camp and the "OH MY GOD THERE ARE 65 GUYS TAHT ARE GOING TO BE SELECTED BY PICK 29!!!!!" camp.

Which is to say, that would be a monumental shit-fest of a draft.

And no, there's no chance it happens. I'd say there's less than a 1% chance of EITHER of those picks happening. There is a literal zero percent chance of both.
That is ... interesting.

I mean, what kind of nightmare scenarior did they craft where Cine was the best-fitting S/CB available, and Moore was the best WR?

Just off the top of my head, that would mean the following guys were off the board:

WRs:
Jameson Williams
Garret Wilson
Olave
Drake London
Jahan Dotson
Treylon Burks
Christian Watson
George Pickens

(of this list, the only guy I can believe KC would prefer Moore to is Drake London, and even then I don't think they'd burn the first on him)

S/CB:

Daxton Hill
Kyle Hamilton
Jalen Pitre
Kair Elam
Andrew Booth Jr.
Jaquan Brisker
Trent McDuffie
Sauce Gardner
Stingley
Kyler Gordon

That would be 17 players at just WR and CB alone. I mean, shit, sure that could happen. But if it does, a great DE option is gonna get pushed down.

I mean, let's look at locks at the top of the draft...

DL:
Thibodeaux
Hutchinson
Walker
Jordan Davis

OL:
Evan Neal
Ekwonku
Charles Cross
Linderbaum
Kenyon Green
Zion Johnson

So we're up to 27 players that are pretty much locks to go before Cine or Skyy Moore.

And we haven't talked about QB (where odds are you'll see at least 2). Or LB. Or Jermaine Johnson and Karlaftis and Mafe and Ojabo. Or Trevor Panning.

Those KCSN guys are just dumbasses.
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The Franchise 03:39 PM 04-15-2022
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
That is ... interesting.

I mean, what kind of nightmare scenarior did they craft where Cine was the best-fitting S/CB available, and Moore was the best WR?

Just off the top of my head, that would mean the following guys were off the board:

WRs:
Jameson Williams
Garret Wilson
Olave
Drake London
Jahan Dotson
Treylon Burks
Christian Watson
George Pickens

(of this list, the only guy I can believe KC would prefer Moore to is Drake London, and even then I don't think they'd burn the first on him)

S/CB:

Daxton Hill
Kyle Hamilton
Jalen Pitre
Kair Elam
Andrew Booth Jr.
Jaquan Brisker
Trent McDuffie
Sauce Gardner
Stingley
Kyler Gordon

That would be 17 players at just WR and CB alone. I mean, shit, sure that could happen. But if it does, a great DE option is gonna get pushed down.

I mean, let's look at locks at the top of the draft...

DL:
Thibodeaux
Hutchinson
Walker
Jordan Davis

OL:
Evan Neal
Ekwonku
Charles Cross
Linderbaum
Kenyon Green
Zion Johnson

So we're up to 27 players that are pretty much locks to go before Cine or Skyy Moore.

And we haven't talked about QB (where odds are you'll see at least 2). Or LB. Or Jermaine Johnson and Karlaftis and Mafe and Ojabo. Or Trevor Panning.

Those KCSN guys are just dumbasses.
I'll just tell you right now that they probably have Moore rated over Dotson, Pickens and Watson.
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staylor26 03:41 PM 04-15-2022
I like Stout, but Lane and Swanson are annoying as fuck. They really believe that they’re experts.

Swanson is the worst to me. He acts like the Chiefs trading up for Karlaftis would be a dooms day scenario, but then they go and have the worst mock draft ever.
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The Franchise 03:42 PM 04-15-2022
Originally Posted by staylor26:
I like Stout, but Lane and Swanson are annoying as fuck. They really believe that they’re experts.

Swanson is the worst to me. He acts like the Chiefs trading up for Karlaftis would be a dooms day scenario, but then they go and have the worst mock draft ever.
Pretty much. Stout is the only one that doesn't get on my nerves. Although Lane is worse than Swanson, IMO. They both suck though.
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staylor26 03:43 PM 04-15-2022
Also, Thomas and Williams are afterthoughts for them.

They literally accidentally left Thomas out of their draft guide. When they added him, I believe they said he’s their 17th DE! :-)
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staylor26 03:44 PM 04-15-2022
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
Pretty much. Stout is the only one that doesn't get on my nerves. Although Lane is worse than Swanson, IMO. They both suck though.
Lane is definitely more cocky, but I think he’s more knowledgeable, so I guess that’s why he’s a bit more tolerable.
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