Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
30 year old Jones at $30 million a year or 28 year old Wilkins at maybe $24-25 million a year at most? Idk, it's a tough call.
If it’s me, I use the cap to bring back as many of our own guys as possible and take a huge swing in the draft for a big time playmaker to pair with Mahomes for the rest of his career. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
30 year old Jones at $30 million a year or 28 year old Wilkins at maybe $24-25 million a year at most? Idk, it's a tough call.
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
Chris Jones, thank you.
I think that's an easy pick: you go with Wilkins.
First of all, that contract with Jones isn't going to work. It didn't work in 2023, it's sure as hell not going to work in 2024.
Second, the Dolphins just paid another defensive tackle, I think they're going to let Wilkins walk.
And for everything Jones brings as a captain and locker room leader, you're 100% getting it with Wilkins. He's not as good as Jones, but that's just not as important with Joe Cullen.
Veach needs to stop with the whole "look at all the advertising money you'll make" though, and just start pitching contracts. We've lost out on all the wide receivers doing that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BossChief:
If it’s me, I use the cap to bring back as many of our own guys as possible and take a huge swing in the draft for a big time playmaker to pair with Mahomes for the rest of his career.
I partially agree. I think the best scenario is to sign our guys Jones, Gay, & Sneed + Mike Evans (Splash) who we acquire for something like MVS + a 3rd. Evans is a stalwart vet WR, who probably won't break the bank due to his age. I think Evans is currently getting $16m in 2023, MVS is scheduled to make $14m in 2024...gross. Maybe we have enough money left over to sign a vet RB to pair with Pachecco as well. Use our high caliber draft picks on OT & DL. Thrive.
2024
Mahomes
Pachecco
[Dobbins]
Kelce
Gray
Bell
[Evans]
Toney
Moore
Rice
Watson
Ross
[1st RD OT]
Thuney
Humfrey
Smith
Smith/Morris
Karlaftis/Danna
[2nd RD DT]/Coburn
Jones
Omenihu/FAU [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nightfyre:
If we are talking recievers, we really need to find a field stretcher to replace MVS, or extend MVS. But otherwise, that's a pretty full and talented room already.
I dunno. If you can find value in a known quantity, who here is non-fungible (I'll send DJLN his royalties)
Non-Fungible
Travis Kelce
MVS (fuck off - I'm still a homer)
Rashee Rice (It's still early enough you don't quit him)
Justyn Ross (still enough upside at a low ass cost to keep him)
Toney (Until we have to pay him - but ultimately, if there is a deal to be made there, whatever.)
Fungible
Watson
Richie James
Skyy
Noah Gray
Blake Bell
There's a spot for a dude if we can find a known quantity at a good value.
I really wanted a trade partner for CEH and a pick, but other than Saquon (Who I'm lower on than most everybody) and Bijan Robinson, I didn't see anyone that would be worth any real assets except Swift and Tony Pollard who they'd never trade. [Reply]
Chris Jones provides you with a conundrum that's difficult to solve. You can't, justifiably, just let him walk away. It's also extremely difficult to place the tag on him without some reasonable certainty that you can get an extension worked out this time around or will have a trade partner. What I do know is that Jones is a force multiplier on that front you cannot replace and, I assume, he's likely to give you another 3 solid years of similar production before he starts tailing off hard. Best case is he signs a 4/116 deal or in that ballpark. You hope the worst case would be a tag and trade for a 1st round pick.
What happens there is ultimately what is going to determine the real answer to your question because he is your swing if you sign him.
Opting for a tag and trade of Jones, you may miss the boat on some FAs out of the gate. That may include the one guy I'd peg as an ascending replacement option in Justin Madubuike (if the Ravens don't tag him). All said I'm not largely interested in seeing Veach take a 3m per discount on Jones just to sign Wilkins. I'd have to think Madubuike would be more in line with a Dre'Mont Jones type of contract at 17 per, and now we're talking more than peanuts.
To truly answer your question, I'd say no major splash but get yourself a few B-level guys. I might be in the minority, but Mekhi Becton can be dominant if he's past the injuries. Darnell Mooney would fit in well here. I'd still like Greg Gaines or Raekwon Davis at NT. For those of you who dream of a 2-headed TE monster, Noah Fant is hitting FA too and is young enough to be Kelce's heir. [Reply]
Becton is a fascinating idea, but really we're in a hard place because it's very clear that Jawaan Taylor can't play LT. So any tackle we're bringing in needs to be the LT.
And I'm high on Becton too, but I don't know if I'd put him at LT. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Chris Jones provides you with a conundrum that's difficult to solve. You can't, justifiably, just let him walk away. It's also extremely difficult to place the tag on him without some reasonable certainty that you can get an extension worked out this time around or will have a trade partner. What I do know is that Jones is a force multiplier on that front you cannot replace and, I assume, he's likely to give you another 3 solid years of similar production before he starts tailing off hard. Best case is he signs a 4/116 deal or in that ballpark. You hope the worst case would be a tag and trade for a 1st round pick.
What happens there is ultimately what is going to determine the real answer to your question because he is your swing if you sign him.
Opting for a tag and trade of Jones, you may miss the boat on some FAs out of the gate. That may include the one guy I'd peg as an ascending replacement option in Justin Madubuike (if the Ravens don't tag him). All said I'm not largely interested in seeing Veach take a 3m per discount on Jones just to sign Wilkins. I'd have to think Madubuike would be more in line with a Dre'Mont Jones type of contract at 17 per, and now we're talking more than peanuts.
To truly answer your question, I'd say no major splash but get yourself a few B-level guys. I might be in the minority, but Mekhi Becton can be dominant if he's past the injuries. Darnell Mooney would fit in well here. I'd still like Greg Gaines or Raekwon Davis at NT. For those of you who dream of a 2-headed TE monster, Noah Fant is hitting FA too and is young enough to be Kelce's heir.
Welcome back crow, good to see you.
I think I agree re Wilkins and Jones. Personally I think the gap is big enough between them to pay the extra to Jones. I'd probably see what we've got at NT with Coburn and Farrell, but I could probably be persuaded on a guy like Wormley as a tried and tested run stuffer you might get cheap.
If we don't get Jones back I'd probably want to throw some numbers at possible pass-rushers who are questionable against the run - Tart, Maurice Hurst, that sort of swing. Billings was mentioned too. I think you could get 2 or 3 guys to replace Jones and keep fresh alongside Coburn and Farrell and it's an OK DT room. Not great, certainly worse than with Jones, but decent. After that the focus is LT and weapons again. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
I'll pay Jonesy and roll.
Think I would too. Draft LT/WR, whichever looks the bigger problem at the end of the season and whichever talent looks best at our pick, then look at the best DL talent left for our 3 pick. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
Good to see you back crow.
Good to see you guys too. I blocked a lot of people and plan to stick to this forum in a limited capacity. There are a few of you who know I respect you, and I don't get the opportunity to interact with you much otherwise. [Reply]