Went through a bunch of threads to identify all of our interests across the defensive line, is this all of them? Who else should be added to the list? Removed from the list? Should anyone be moved up or down on the draft target list?
FA Targets
-DE Yannick Ngakoue, IND
-DT Da’ron Payne, WAS
-DT Poona Ford, SEA
-DE Jadaveon Clowney, CLV
-DT Kalen Saunders, KC
-DT Greg Gains, LAR
-DT Armon Watts, CHI
-DE Ardon Key, JAX
-DE Clean Ferril, LVR
-DE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, HOU
-DT Chris Wormley, PIT
-DT Maurice Hurst, SF
-DT Andrew Billings, CIN
Vet Trade Targets
-DE Brian Burns, CAR
-DE Chase Young, WAS
-DE Carl Granderson, New Orleans
-DE Za'Darius Smith, Minnesota
-DE D.J. Wonnum, Minnesota
1st Rd Targets
-DT Byran Breese,
-DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
-DE BJ Ojulari, LSU
-DE Keion White, Georgia Tech
-DE Derick Hall, Auburn
-DE Isahiah Foskey, ND
-DE Nolan Smith, Georgia
-DL Tuli Tuipulotu, USC
-DE Andre Carter, Army
2nd Rd Targets
-DT Siaki Ika, BU
-DE Will McDonald IV, Iowa St.
-DL Calijah Kancey, Pitt
-DE Zach Harrison, Ohio State
-DE Anudike-Uzomah, Kansas State
-DT Mazi Smith, Michigan
Originally Posted by kccrow:
You're acting like he wasn't regarded as a day 2 prospect by everyone. It might look smart in retrospect but that wasn't anywhere near what people thought then. The dude came off an outstanding Junior season and had really good measurables. The fact he failed is somewhere between his work ethic and coaching and probably does lean heavily towards work ethic. To say he had no talent is simply not true. He had talent. You don't do what he did as a Junior in the SEC and just completely suck nuts.
I mean, I'm acting like I didn't think he was a day 2 prospect, yeah.
I didn't see it when we made the pick and never saw it at any point. I don't know where 'really good measurables' came from because what his measurables point to where a bunch of parts that don't make a whole.
He wasn't agile enough to play edge, though admittedly few pegged him there. He wasn't long enough to be a 3-4 DE. So what you're really looking at is someone would seemingly be an under-tackle in a 4-3.
The problem is he wasn't nearly powerful enough to play IDL. And while a 4.87 40 is good for a DT it's also largely irrelevant. He didn't have any measurables that qualified as 'really good' that actually fit with the rest of his tools to make an actual football player.
He was a tweener and that's exactly what I said at the time. He simply didn't have a home.
And yeah, there have been plenty of SEC players who played better than Speaks but who ultimately just didn't have a complete set of tools. Michael Sam would be an immediate and obvious example. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I mean, I'm acting like I didn't think he was a day 2 prospect, yeah.
I didn't see it when we made the pick and never saw it at any point. I don't know where 'really good measurables' came from because what his measurables point to where a bunch of parts that don't make a whole.
He wasn't agile enough to play edge, though admittedly few pegged him there. He wasn't long enough to be a 3-4 DE. So what you're really looking at is someone would seemingly be an under-tackle in a 4-3.
The problem is he wasn't nearly powerful enough to play IDL. And while a 4.87 40 is good for a DT it's also largely irrelevant. He didn't have any measurables that qualified as 'really good' that actually fit with the rest of his tools to make an actual football player.
He was a tweener and that's exactly what I said at the time. He simply didn't have a home.
And yeah, there have been plenty of SEC players who played better than Speaks but who ultimately just didn't have a complete set of tools. Michael Sam would be an immediate and obvious example.
Point me please to where you said any of this shit before he was drafted. We ran a 3-4 at the time. His profile was a 3-4 5T. [Reply]
Actually, you know what, I don't even rightly give a shit. I'd much rather hear right now who you think are the studs and duds of this year's class. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Say the Commanders call and are willing to do basically the OBJ Chiefs Ravens trade for Montez Sweat.
Any interest?
Probably. The depth of the draft into the 2nd makes for a strong 'Nick Bolton' possibility where the 2nd we get back in the exchange is going to yield a very good player.
Sweat's cap charge is about 3 times what OBJs was, though. So I may need them to dial back that mid-round pick we included in the OBJ deal. Then again, the 2 we get in retirn should be higher than the one we got from Baltimore.
But yeah, I'd consider it. The problem is the cap space. I'm just not sure where to find it at his point. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Probably. The depth of the draft into the 2nd makes for a strong 'Nick Bolton' possibility where the 2nd we get back in the exchange is going to yield a very good player.
Sweat's cap charge is about 3 times what OBJs was, though. So I may need them to dial back that mid-round pick we included in the OBJ deal. Then again, the 2 we get in retirn should be higher than the one we got from Baltimore.
But yeah, I'd consider it. The problem is the cap space. I'm just not sure where to find it at his point.
They could work to get it this year, but he'd need a LTD, so you'd have to go into the future to figure it out.
I'd say Thuney is gone after this year, I'm not sure on Snead's fuure here either.
But Sweat would pair pretty well with what we've got there I think. [Reply]
It's if we want a guy who can go round rather than just directly over an OT. Tested pretty well, has plenty of moves, decent production, great bend. Doesn't have the same versatility as others mentioned. [Reply]
Originally Posted by JPH83:
It's if we want a guy who can go round rather than just directly over an OT. Tested pretty well, has plenty of moves, decent production, great bend. Doesn't have the same versatility as others mentioned.
Originally Posted by staylor26: He's not my favorite of the group, but I do think he's in that tier of edge rusher that should/could be available.
I think if they take him, it's because he's the best of both worlds in terms of meeting the size thresholds, but also having speed and bend.
And that's where I just keep landing with him.
I don't dislike the guy as a prospect - I just can't see a scenario where he's even one of my 3 favorite guys on the board. I should go run a mock where I just screw the Chiefs with every pick I make (within reason) and see if I can get him there.
I mean you can take 10 guys off the board for KC pretty immediately; maybe even 15. And once you get that done, I can probably still make a list of 20 guys I'd rather have. Felix is probably in/around 40th or so on any kind of generic 'big board' I'd make. [Reply]
