You know, all I was trying to do in the thread was say that it's sad when racism is tolerated, no matter whom it's directed towards.
Instead, I basically get flamed, essentially told that the white man is being oppressed and given meaningless stats (um, having 12% of coaches in the NFL means nothing when there are only 32 teams, Simplex3. If you think that's truly representative, then I feel for you).
But I've learned a lot about some of the people on this BBs. Thanks for the insight.
Originally Posted by Mark M:
You know, all I was trying to do in the thread was say that it's sad when racism is tolerated, no matter whom it's directed towards.
Instead, I basically get flamed, essentially told that the white man is being oppressed and given meaningless stats (um, having 12% of coaches in the NFL means nothing when there are only 32 teams, Simplex3. If you think that's truly representative, then I feel for you).
But I've learned a lot about some of the people on this BBs. Thanks for the insight.
Nobody was flaming you dude. BTW, wou don't want see stats that's just logic plain and simple? I don't see you complaining about there not being enough BB players that are white of FB players. Why do you only defend coaching, shouldn't you be fair and evaluate everything?
Affirmative action is nothing more than legal discrimination. Discrimination will always be here as long as people are different, that is my only point. As far as toleration goes I'm not really sure what Otter said so I am not really in a position to discuss whether it was out of line. To say you gained insight is the most ridiculous thing I have ever scene you post at the planet. My girl is half filipino. My girlfreind before her was all mexican. Neither of them was racially sensitive. I just think people like playing the victim too much. JMO
Talking Can,
I listed some of the things I went through. If you want to say that is absurd you can but it doesn't change the facts. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
Nobody was flaming you dude. BTW, wou don't want see stats that's just logic plain and simple? I don't see you complaining about there not being enough BB players that are white of FB players. Why do you only defend coaching, shouldn't you be fair and evaluate everything?
Affirmative action is nothing more than legal discrimination. Discrimination will always be here as long as people are different, that is my only point. As far as toleration goes I'm not really sure what Otter said so I am not really in a position to discuss whether it was out of line. To say you gained insight is the most ridiculous thing I have ever scene you post at the planet. My girl is half filipino. My girlfreind before her was all mexican. Neither of them was racially sensitive. I just think people like playing the victim too much. JMO
First of all, the stats are being misused. I could say that my workplace is fair because half of the people are minorities, but if I only work with 5 people that's not saying a whole helluva lot.
Second, no one is stopping a white guy from playing FB or BB. If they're good enough, they get a job. Owners and collegiate ADs, on the other hand, are keeping competent, worthy minorities from coaching jobs. Not because they are necessarily racist, but because there's a "good 'ol boy network" going on. How else does Dennis Erickson get another job in the NFL when he sucked total ass the first time around? How the f*cking hell does Schottenheimer still have a job? Why did Detroit make up their minds before even interviewing anyone else? Of course, I'm sure you'll say I've been brainwashed by the media, or that I'm PC, or however else you want to justify it.
Third, I agree that Affirmative Action doesn't work. Read my post a few pages ago and you'd have seen that.
Fourth and last, what I've "scene" on this BBs in this thread is ridiculous. White men crying about how they're soooo mistreated is the most pathetic thing I've ever "scene" in this place, and has shown me a lot about a few of its members.
I already knew that raiderhader was a sexist piece of crap. Hell, he's lucky my wife didn't kick his ass at Gators during the 37 Forever weekend. (BTW, it's called respect, Jamie. It's too bad you have none for women. No wonder you're a virgin--and if you talk to all women the way you did that Friday, you better get used to it.)
I already knew some here think it's okay to throw racial insults around--afterall, people are just "too sensitive" nowadays. I mean, racism is okay as long as it's not the poor, oppressed white man experiencing it.
Originally Posted by Mark M:
First of all, the stats are being misused. I could say that my workplace is fair because half of the people are minorities, but if I only work with 5 people that's not saying a whole helluva lot.
Why is that not saying a whole lot? Blacks are being overly represented. Or, to take the glass is half empty approach that you do, white are desperately UNDER represented. According to your argument affirmitive action should be what, 50 blacks, THEN 15% black thereafter? No one profession will ever be truly equally representitive of all social groups, because different social groups are attracted to different type of employment.
Originally Posted by Mark M:
Second, no one is stopping a white guy from playing FB or BB. If they're good enough, they get a job. Owners and collegiate ADs, on the other hand, are keeping competent, worthy minorities from coaching jobs. Not because they are necessarily racist, but because there's a "good 'ol boy network" going on. How else does Dennis Erickson get another job in the NFL when he sucked total ass the first time around? How the f*cking hell does Schottenheimer still have a job? Why did Detroit make up their minds before even interviewing anyone else? Of course, I'm sure you'll say I've been brainwashed by the media, or that I'm PC, or however else you want to justify it.
Why does Dungy still have a job? A head coach's job is to win championships, his playoff record is dismal. Why does Herman Edwards still have a job? His Jets are sucking ass and he's never proven anything. Not every coach is Bill Parcels just waiting for an opportunity. You have no proof or evidence to support your claim unless you have documentation from some coaching search saying:
"Well, we found this great black coach, but I think we'll hire this white loser instead. Hell, it's not like I want to keep my job."
Originally Posted by Mark M:
Third, I agree that Affirmative Action doesn't work. Read my post a few pages ago and you'd have seen that.
You don't believe in affirmative action, but half of the employees in a small company being black isn't enough? :-)
You're crying and whining about representation, but you don't apply it equally. If you want the NFL head coaching positions to not be racist, then we need to break it down:
16 men, 16 women.
5 blacks, 10 hispanics, 2 asians, and 15 whites. Of course we'll be under-representing American Indians, Middle Eastern-Americans, etc. Quite a quandry, huh? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mark M:
First of all, the stats are being misused. I could say that my workplace is fair because half of the people are minorities, but if I only work with 5 people that's not saying a whole helluva lot.
Second, no one is stopping a white guy from playing FB or BB. If they're good enough, they get a job. Owners and collegiate ADs, on the other hand, are keeping competent, worthy minorities from coaching jobs. Not because they are necessarily racist, but because there's a "good 'ol boy network" going on. How else does Dennis Erickson get another job in the NFL when he sucked total ass the first time around? How the f*cking hell does Schottenheimer still have a job? Why did Detroit make up their minds before even interviewing anyone else? Of course, I'm sure you'll say I've been brainwashed by the media, or that I'm PC, or however else you want to justify it.
Third, I agree that Affirmative Action doesn't work. Read my post a few pages ago and you'd have seen that.
Fourth and last, what I've "scene" on this BBs in this thread is ridiculous. White men crying about how they're soooo mistreated is the most pathetic thing I've ever "scene" in this place, and has shown me a lot about a few of its members.
I already knew that raiderhader was a sexist piece of crap. Hell, he's lucky my wife didn't kick his ass at Gators during the 37 Forever weekend. (BTW, it's called respect, Jamie. It's too bad you have none for women. No wonder you're a virgin--and if you talk to all women the way you did that Friday, you better get used to it.)
I already knew some here think it's okay to throw racial insults around--afterall, people are just "too sensitive" nowadays. I mean, racism is okay as long as it's not the poor, oppressed white man experiencing it.
Detroit made up their minds to hire a SB winning coach, it really doesn't fit in your argument. We can go through the motions and act like we are going to give a black man a chance at coaching a team (like Jerry Jones did) if that is what the "balanced and fair" want, but it doesn't work. Dallas interviewed black coaches, do you truly believe they were going to hire anyone but Parcells? Why did they interview anyone else? Because they didn't want to be hit with a bogus fine like Detroit was.
Currently there are 3 black coaches out of 32 teams - Dungy, Edwards, Lewis. The black population is approximately 12% of the nation, there is not a whole lot of disparity there at all. While only one was hired after affirmative action was implemented in the NFL, he merely took the spot of another, Green. None of that is justification, it is fact. How did Tony Dungy get another job? Last I saw, he was still black. Why is Herman Edwards still at NY? Seriously, look at his record and give me an answer.
I honestly don't see a multimillionaire have the following issue: "hmm, I love owning my team and having it coached by a white man. Thanks to hiring Schottenheimer, I won't be able to raise ticket prices anytime soon, but at least he is white. I know Marvin Lewis would have got me to the SB, but I would rather be a loser with a white coach than a SB winner with a black one". [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mark M:
First of all, the stats are being misused. I could say that my workplace is fair because half of the people are minorities, but if I only work with 5 people that's not saying a whole helluva lot.
Second, no one is stopping a white guy from playing FB or BB. If they're good enough, they get a job. Owners and collegiate ADs, on the other hand, are keeping competent, worthy minorities from coaching jobs. Not because they are necessarily racist, but because there's a "good 'ol boy network" going on. How else does Dennis Erickson get another job in the NFL when he sucked total ass the first time around? How the f*cking hell does Schottenheimer still have a job? Why did Detroit make up their minds before even interviewing anyone else? Of course, I'm sure you'll say I've been brainwashed by the media, or that I'm PC, or however else you want to justify it.
Third, I agree that Affirmative Action doesn't work. Read my post a few pages ago and you'd have seen that.
Fourth and last, what I've "scene" on this BBs in this thread is ridiculous. White men crying about how they're soooo mistreated is the most pathetic thing I've ever "scene" in this place, and has shown me a lot about a few of its members.
I already knew that raiderhader was a sexist piece of crap. Hell, he's lucky my wife didn't kick his ass at Gators during the 37 Forever weekend. (BTW, it's called respect, Jamie. It's too bad you have none for women. No wonder you're a virgin--and if you talk to all women the way you did that Friday, you better get used to it.)
I already knew some here think it's okay to throw racial insults around--afterall, people are just "too sensitive" nowadays. I mean, racism is okay as long as it's not the poor, oppressed white man experiencing it.
Dude chill the @uck out man, go take a :-) hit and come back when you have mellowed. First of all I was never complaining about how I had been mistreated just stating where and when such things happened. I guarantee you one thing Mark, go behind bars for a little bit and be white and you will see more aggressive racism against you than you will ever see anywhere else. You want to minimize that because I'm whitey go ahead. My point was completely missed by you even though I posted it over and over. People will always discriminate against others that are not like them on any level. None of it is OK it's just the way it is. WTF did Otter say anyway.
meme,
If your going to call people Imperial wizards the least you could do is let us know who you are reffeing to. Second request. [Reply]
Mark,
BTW, Shottenheimer was the 2nd winningest coach of the 90s. Some may feel that he is worthy of another shot. I know that is a real reach for you being a Chiefs fan but the numbers are the numbers. [Reply]
If your going to call people Imperial wizards the least you could do is let us know who you are reffeing to. Second request.
Don't worry, you aren't one of them. Delusional about female sexuality, misguided about liberal female povs, homosexual hypocrit, perhaps. Imperial wizard, no. [Reply]
