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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>*** 2022 Mock Draft Megathread ***
duncan_idaho 12:45 PM 11-23-2021
Got a mock? Pop it in this thread. Include a picture if you want. Explain your reasoning if you want. Talk about your crushes... if you want.

See a good "pro" mock? Link it up in here and I'll add it to the OP.

Duncan's latest mock

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The Draft Network This mock seems to be the most accurate site right now, so I go with this one. I don't pay for it, so no trades here. The plan is for this to be my last mock. I'm going to do it differently, though. I'm running 3 scenarios, and eschewing the 7th round picks, which I would use on a big swings on athleticism and potential. Lotto tickets. James Houston IV is one of them. Note: I used PFF to simulate the trade action, then manually backed up in the 2 "trade" drafts to make selections. Laborious, but gives you best of both worlds, IMO. I think PFF's trade tool is the best, but its board is whack.

Draft slot: 29

Scenario 1: The Chiefs sit pat with their picks and don't make any moves at all. Seems the least likely, but hey...
1.29 | George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue.
1.30 | Boye Mafe, DE, Minnesota.
2.50 | George Pickens, WR, Georgia.
2.62 | Travis Jones, DT, UConn.
3.94 | Zyon McCollum, CB, Sam Houston State.
3.103(Comp for Poles) | Troy Andersen, LB, Montana State.
4.121 | Coby Bryant, CB, Cincinnati.
4.135 | Velus Jones, Jr., Tennessee

Scenario 1 Debrief:
So, sitting and waiting to see what comes to me was pretty successful here. The Chiefs FLOOD the defensive line with reinforcements, including at least 1 ready-made starter and two guys who should - at minimum - be in 50/50 rotations at their spots by year end. The Chiefs still get a big outside WR with tantalizing potential. They add some crazy athletic small-school guys, and a mid-round corner who just fits in the system, and a dynamo return man who might be more at WR.

This looks pretty good. Though I have a hard time believing Karlaftis just falls to 29...

Scenario 2: The Chiefs get aggressive and trade up. But for what? In this case, let's go wide receiver. In this run, Kansas City trades picks 29, 62, and a 2023 3rd to Houston for pick 13 and a 2023 4th, because they ARE as obsessed with a WR as people expect and are aggressive to go get him when the board falls right. They then trade BACK from 30 to 35 with the Jets, also including pick 94 in order to get 69 back. Then, last but not least, KC gets aggressive one more time and moves 103 and 121 for 85 from New England, leaving the Chiefs with 6 picks in the first four rounds.
1.13 | Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama.
2.35 | Cam Thomas, DE, San Diego State.
2.50 | Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor.
3.69 | Zachary Carter, DT, Florida.
3.85 | Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss.
4.135 | Jaylen Watson, CB, Washington State

Scenario 2 Debrief:
I'm not saying KC should do this or even that I think they will (more on that in a few minutes). I'm just saying, man, what will it look like if the Chiefs get aggressive a few times AND are doing the big move for a WR? In this scenario, KC obviously believes Williams is a game-changer at the NFL level and is taking a small 2022 hit to make 2023+ better. The defensive line still gets reinforced, but the reinforcements are all a shade worse than the sit-pat draft option. If you like Kingsley Enagbare or Josh PAscal more than Thomas, I get it and wouldn't quibble at one of those guys instead. Logan Hall, too. Pitre is such a screaming perfect fit for KC's D. Carter is a great physical talent you can dream about coaching up. Williams' utility is known and gives them a true RE option to pair against their higher-drafted bigger guy. Watson is a developmental corner.

I don't love it. I think Pitre makes the secondary a lot better and makes it easier to move on from Thornhill after 22. They have improved the defensive rotation, though one of the DEs would need to outperform expectations in Year 1 to get it to the same level as Scenario 1. In all, giving up the 2 extra selections in the top 4 rounds hurts the depth you can build, but I think it's more like what KC will do.

Scenario 3: Same movements as #2
1.13 | Jermaine Johnson II, DE, Florida State.
2.35 | Christian Watson, WR, North Dakota State.
2.50 | Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss.
3.69 | Bryan Cook, S, Cincinnati.
3.85 | Martin Emerson, CB, Miss. State.
4.135 | Braxton Jones, T, Southern Utah

Scenario 3 Debrief:
This is the type of situation where I see KC paying the price to move up... if Johnson falls this far, I'd be shocked if KC isn't aggressively moving up. With this run, I take a risky but high upside WR in Watson (but you could sub in Pickens or Jahan Dotson or Tolbert or Metchie or Skyy Moore or really any of those tier 2 guys here if you prefer). The secondary reinforcements aren't flashy but are good fits.

In this one, I think the plan has to become adding either another safety or corner in free agency before the season. Ideally, it's someone who can handle the slot and let Sneed thriver on the outside. The DL gets a major boost and some potential star power in Johnson and Williams, and the OL gets another T option and potential long-term starter to develop.

Having completed the exercise and looking at the scenariors, I like the first one the most. But it really does come down to how the board breaks.

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BossChief 06:46 AM 04-07-2022
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Lol Chiefs pass on Karlaftis to trade back? No way.
And take Jones over himÖand PS is very tuned in.
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BossChief 06:50 AM 04-07-2022
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
So we traded with Seattle? For what I wonder...
To move back to 40Öit would have to net us pick 72. Which would be huge.
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duncan_idaho 06:57 AM 04-07-2022
Originally Posted by BossChief:
Would anybody be mad if we traded away a 1, 2 and 3 next year to get us this draft? I know itís 3 edge guys, but I couldnít pass on Sam Williams that late in the draft.

I mean, I guess not. But I donít think that trade scenario is very realistic. If youíre proposing a trade on that simulator and the acceptance rate is less than 90 percent or so, it isnít a trade that would be accepted in real life.

Iím not a fan of moving up for Jameson Williams, Iím any realistic circumstance.
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The Franchise 07:26 AM 04-07-2022

Might be worth noting the only matches Schrags got this time last year were Lawrence, Wilson and Chase https://t.co/maVbi10FQF

— Ross Lumbard (@lumbeiro) April 7, 2022

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BossChief 07:40 AM 04-07-2022
Fuck it. I’m gonna say it even though it’s not highly likely. Did Pete just slip in a DK trade without directly saying it was a DK trade?
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chiefforlife 07:49 AM 04-07-2022
Originally Posted by BossChief:
Fuck it. Iím gonna say it even though itís not highly likely. Did Pete just slip in a DK trade without directly saying it was a DK trade?
With the run on WRs before our pick, I hope so!
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DJ's left nut 09:11 AM 04-07-2022
Originally Posted by BossChief:
Fuck it. Iím gonna say it even though itís not highly likely. Did Pete just slip in a DK trade without directly saying it was a DK trade?
Nah, that's probably a trade-up.
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DJ's left nut 09:17 AM 04-07-2022
Just looking at who he took who I didn't in my 'fuck the Chiefs' effort, there would be a stacked board for us there.

Pickett, Lloyd, Willis, Smith, Walker and Dean, as well as Seattle looking for a trade up for a QB in Corral and the Lions being interested in Ridder at QB as well (so we could play Seattle off Detroit in a trade up scenario at 29 and hold ALL the cards. Then we pull the trigger with Detroit, get their pick at the back of the 1st so they can stay ahead of Seattle, then get back on the phone with Seattle so they can jump up and get the 5th year option).

Having 29 and 30 could be a real nice bonus in the event both those teams are looking to get into the back of the round for QB.
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The Franchise 09:20 AM 04-07-2022
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Just looking at who he took who I didn't in my 'fuck the Chiefs' effort, there would be a stacked board for us there.

Pickett, Lloyd, Willis, Smith, Walker and Dean, as well as Seattle looking for a trade up for a QB in Corral and the Lions being interested in Ridder at QB as well (so we could play Seattle off Detroit in a trade up scenario at 29 and hold ALL the cards. Then we pull the trigger with Detroit, get their pick at the back of the 1st so they can stay ahead of Seattle, then get back on the phone with Seattle so they can jump up and get the 5th year option).

Having 29 and 30 could be a real nice bonus in the event both those teams are looking to get into the back of the round for QB.
The thing that surprised me is that he doesn't have a ton of head scratching picks for teams. Maybe Wilson falling that far...but other than that...I could see his picks happening.

I would take Karlaftis over Jones at 29 but that's just my opinion.
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DJ's left nut 09:31 AM 04-07-2022
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
The thing that surprised me is that he doesn't have a ton of head scratching picks for teams. Maybe Wilson falling that far...but other than that...I could see his picks happening.

I would take Karlaftis over Jones at 29 but that's just my opinion.
Right.

That's why I keep calling these nightmare scenarios pretty farfetched.

This idea that suddenly Christian Watson will be the best player on our board because 45 other guys somehow got traded in the first 28 picks just don't stand up to scrutiny.

You've gotta try pretty hard to really bomb the board by the time we're up.
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The Franchise 09:40 AM 04-07-2022
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Right.

That's why I keep calling these nightmare scenarios pretty farfetched.

This idea that suddenly Christian Watson will be the best player on our board because 45 other guys somehow got traded in the first 28 picks just don't stand up to scrutiny.

You've gotta try pretty hard to really bomb the board by the time we're up.
I just inputted all of his picks into a simulator and you're sitting at 29 with:

Karlaftis, DE
Linderbaum, OC
Corral, QB
Booth Jr., CB
Hill, S
Elam, CB
Howell, QB
Ridder, QB
Green, OG
Ojabo, DE

That's a ton of talent that any team needing a QB would trade up for.
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staylor26 09:41 AM 04-07-2022
Give me Karlaftis and Booth or Ojabo with that board.
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DJ's left nut 09:48 AM 04-07-2022
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
I just inputted all of his picks into a simulator and you're sitting at 29 with:

Karlaftis, DE
Linderbaum, OC
Corral, QB
Booth Jr., CB
Hill, S
Elam, CB
Howell, QB
Ridder, QB
Green, OG
Ojabo, DE

That's a ton of talent that any team needing a QB would trade up for.
I execute a trade down at 29 while leveraging the Lions and Seahawks off each other to get into that spot.

Then after that, I see if I can get the price I want for 30 (which would be substantial) and if I can't, I'm taking Karlaftis in a heartbeat. That's just a no-brainer, IMO. Now if my first trade down with Detroit stuck me back at 32, I may go ahead and trade out of 30 without demanding that kings ransom because I'm guessing that Cincy will go with Green and Karlaftis will still be sitting there for me at 32.

But yeah, if that board fell like that I'd be using those back to back picks to really shake some shit up with those 2 teams.

And if they're not interested, I'd be just fine taking Karlaftis and Ojabo and then waiting for Jones to fall to me at 50 and I'd STILL take Williams at 62.

Man I'm DONE with this trash DL. Just fucking done with it.
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The Franchise 09:55 AM 04-07-2022
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I execute a trade down at 29 while leveraging the Lions and Seahawks off each other to get into that spot.

Then after that, I see if I can get the price I want for 30 (which would be substantial) and if I can't, I'm taking Karlaftis in a heartbeat. That's just a no-brainer, IMO. Now if my first trade down with Detroit stuck me back at 32, I may go ahead and trade out of 30 without demanding that kings ransom because I'm guessing that Cincy will go with Green and Karlaftis will still be sitting there for me at 32.

But yeah, if that board fell like that I'd be using those back to back picks to really shake some shit up with those 2 teams.

And if they're not interested, I'd be just fine taking Karlaftis and Ojabo and then waiting for Jones to fall to me at 50 and I'd STILL take Williams at 62.

Man I'm DONE with this trash DL. Just fucking done with it.
The correct answer is take Christian Watson at 29 and then Pickens at 30 because WE NEED ALL THE WRS!!!!!!!!
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RunKC 10:02 AM 04-07-2022
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Give me Karlaftis and Booth or Ojabo with that board.
Listening to the KCSn pod the other day and they always talk about how corner is not considered an early round priority. They seem to have a plug and play system ready made thatís worked well.

Honestly Iím with DJ here. We need to take a sledgehammer to this DL. Iím using 2 of those top 50 picks and one of our 3rd rd picks all on DL. I

Itís that bad
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