- Early career production - Dynamic threat downfield & after the catch - Elite speed & start-stop ability - Fluid mover w/ good route running chops - Ball tracking is A+
Not entirely sure why the vibe isn't higher when talking about him in the WR class. pic.twitter.com/dv3JjdyZgh
I'll write something fresh about Worthy tomorrow morning now that he's a Chief to lay out how he's more than speed, but for now here's an excerpt from article linked in the below tweet... https://t.co/EcW7QtUrFFpic.twitter.com/811ahCEfMS
Originally Posted by Warrick:
So Sneed couldn't press this kid and bump him off his route like he did against Tyreek? He hasn't played in a NFL game, yet talking about an NFL caliber CB that can quite possibly press him is silly? As I was watching most of Worthy's college games the CBs played off of him which showed respect for his speed. I'm sure more physical CBs in the NFL will take a different approach. We already know he isn't very good at contested catches, I'm curious to see how he does against a little bump and run is all, which still is a concern this early in the rooks career.
I'm not worried at all. Worthy is going to be facing the other team's third corner on most snaps.
There's no pressure on Worthy. If we get a Hardman rookie season out of him the pick is a success. And he'll easily eclipse that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Warrick:
So Sneed couldn't press this kid and bump him off his route like he did against Tyreek? He hasn't played in a NFL game, yet talking about an NFL caliber CB that can quite possibly press him is silly? As I was watching most of Worthy's college games the CBs played off of him which showed respect for his speed. I'm sure more physical CBs in the NFL will take a different approach. We already know he isn't very good at contested catches, I'm curious to see how he does against a little bump and run is all, which still is a concern this early in the rooks career.
Yeah teams played 10 to 15 yards off of him...you know why? Because they knew what he'd do if he got behind the CBs and more times than not, he still did.
You bring up Sneed....are we playing the Titans this year? I'm confused. Who are all these CBs in this league on our schedule that are actually good, physical CBs that can jam him?
No one is playing man or even 1 high against this offense...you're gonna get a ton of 2 high looks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Jerm:
Yeah teams played 10 to 15 yards off of him...you know why? Because they knew what he'd do if he got behind the CBs and more times than not, he still did.
You bring up Sneed....are we playing the Titans this year? I'm confused. Who are all these CBs in this league on our schedule that are actually good, physical CBs that can jam him?
No one is playing man or even 1 high against this offense...you're gonna get a ton of 2 high looks.
I think the speed combo of Hollywood and Worthy could even stress safetys trying to cover the deep voids behind the corners in a cover 2 at times. As said before, they should help open up more space underneath for Kelce as well as Rice pending availability. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Warpaint69:
I think the speed combo of Hollywood and Worthy could even stress safetys trying to cover the deep voids behind the corners in a cover 2 at times. As said before, they should help open up more space underneath for Kelce as well as Rice pending availability.
I don't disagree but I just don't think you'll see many teams foolish enough to try and play man against this offense...I could be wrong and hey, I hope I am.
I really feel like with our additions it's total "pick your poison" for opposing defensive coordinators now. [Reply]
We are all hyped about Worthy as we should be but I am wondering if Wiley can steal the #2 TE spot at some point this season. Also impressed hearing about Hadden's performance.
We're just in from the final rookie #Chiefs minicamp look.
- I like WR Xavier Worthy and TE Jared Wiley, who seem to have settled in as the short camp carried along. Head coach Andy Reid noted that they have retained well, an important very first sign. Wiley appears like one of…
Originally Posted by Jerm:
I don't disagree but I just don't think you'll see many teams foolish enough to try and play man against this offense...I could be wrong and hey, I hope I am.
I really feel like with our additions it's total "pick your poison" for opposing defensive coordinators now.
Man idk.... defenses league wide seem to adjust slowly to new offensive wrinkles. Or at the very least it takes half the season or a full season of tape for defenses to catch up to your tendencies.
From 2017 - 2020, defenses could not pin down the Chiefs until TB did the 2 high shell in the Super Bowl. And thats all we saw in 2021. In 2022, we played the intermediate game to perfection with an occasional deep ball to MVS, and defenses got carved to death because they refused to let go of cover 2. It took until 2023 where defenses finally played man and pressed us at the line to slow down the intermediate game, and I predict we're gonna see that again next season for a good portion. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
We are all hyped about Worthy as we should be but I am wondering if Wiley can steal the #2 TE spot at some point this season. Also impressed hearing about Hadden's performance.
We're just in from the final rookie #Chiefs minicamp look.
- I like WR Xavier Worthy and TE Jared Wiley, who seem to have settled in as the short camp carried along. Head coach Andy Reid noted that they have retained well, an important very first sign. Wiley appears like one of…
Having 3 pass catching threats at TE again would be a huge plus for the offense. Never really got to see the full potential of the 13 personnel with Fortson always being hurt and Blake Bell becoming less and less of a pass catching threat. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz:
Man idk.... defenses league wide seem to adjust slowly to new offensive wrinkles. Or at the very least it takes half the season or a full season of tape for defenses to catch up to your tendencies.
From 2017 - 2020, defenses could not pin down the Chiefs until TB did the 2 high shell in the Super Bowl. And thats all we saw in 2021. In 2022, we played the intermediate game to perfection with an occasional deep ball to MVS, and defenses got carved to death because they refused to let go of cover 2. It took until 2023 where defenses finally played man and pressed us at the line to slow down the intermediate game, and I predict we're gonna see that again next season for a good portion.
Theres quite a bit wrong with this. The regular season Tampa game they played man and got torched. The Super Bowl the Chiefs were sending out one of the worst offensive lines to attempt to play a game. They knowingly took the top off and our oline couldn't block a stiff breeze. Once Tyreek was traded, teams quickly figured out MVS wasn't a consistent threat and JuJu, Kelce, and McKinnon carried the offense much of that season. 2023 the WR group didn't scare a soul, they couldn't catch, ran poor routes of course defenses could man up without a thought to the contrary, until Rice started to get it. Its all pure projection, but Hollywood, Rice, Worthy, and Kelce is a tough matchup in itself on paper. Then you've got to add in Pop out of the backfield. If they can get notable production from Wiley or even Irv, now you're having to account for another TE in 12 personnel. You're now not relying on Watson to be THE guy, but just be a guy which he's been known to make timely plays. If they can get anything to click in Toney's head in this offense now you're up to 5 wideouts. Last year they started the season with a hope and a prayer at WR, just a much different cast and what can be done within the offsense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Warpaint69:
Theres quite a bit wrong with this. The regular season Tampa game they played man and got torched. The Super Bowl the Chiefs were sending out one of the worst offensive lines to attempt to play a game. They knowingly took the top off and our oline couldn't block a stiff breeze. Once Tyreek was traded, teams quickly figured out MVS wasn't a consistent threat and JuJu, Kelce, and McKinnon carried the offense much of that season. 2023 the WR group didn't scare a soul, they couldn't catch, ran poor routes of course defenses could man up without a thought to the contrary, until Rice started to get it.
1. Despite our O-Line being depleted that SB, the whole league decided Cover 2 was the way to go the next season because TB did it. And it worked. Mahomes struggled for a good chunk of the season.
2. You mentioned how the league knew we couldn't reliably go over the top with Tyreek gone and MVS being inconsistent, but they didn't do anything about it. They got carved to shreds, their adjustment to our new approach was way too slow. It didn't come until 2023 when we didn't adjust and also took a huge step back due to Toney/Moore/MVS regressing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
We are all hyped about Worthy as we should be but I am wondering if Wiley can steal the #2 TE spot at some point this season. Also impressed hearing about Hadden's performance.
We're just in from the final rookie #Chiefs minicamp look.
- I like WR Xavier Worthy and TE Jared Wiley, who seem to have settled in as the short camp carried along. Head coach Andy Reid noted that they have retained well, an important very first sign. Wiley appears like one of…
- CB Kamal Hadden had an interception in 7-on-7, and I noticed his ability to stick with Worthy during KC's RZ work. DBs room quietly deep even with departure of L'Jarius Sneed.
idiots will say they're down on Worthy...I'll say I'm up on Kamal Hadden [Reply]