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Rain Man 12:15 AM 03-22-2009
The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 35 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.


Spoiler!

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 35 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 850 points. The 10th pick is normally 1,300 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*1,300, or 1,495 points.

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 850 points, but in this game it will be worth 553 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 480 points, so you can get 73 points back from the other team.

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 73 points in the above example from a third team.)

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Rain Man 10:47 AM 05-05-2016
Originally Posted by Pestilence:
And the link for the trade value chart isn't showing anything. What are we supposed to use?
Yeah, we lost the link. Here you go: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/
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The Franchise 11:52 AM 05-05-2016
Spoiler!

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DJ's left nut 02:35 PM 05-05-2016
Yeah, I probably should've done the trade-up thing; I didn't really notice that he went right before our pick at 5-25 (and I knew that Davis went at 5-26 who I really liked and thought we needed as DAT insurance).

That would've allowed me to take Willie Henry at 126 and Westerman at 161. Costs me a couple of WR projects but we have a fair amount of WR depth that I could probably live with.

Oh well; poor form to piggyback on someone else's blueprint.
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Rain Man 07:20 PM 05-05-2016
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Yeah, I probably should've done the trade-up thing; I didn't really notice that he went right before our pick at 5-25 (and I knew that Davis went at 5-26 who I really liked and thought we needed as DAT insurance).

That would've allowed me to take Willie Henry at 126 and Westerman at 161. Costs me a couple of WR projects but we have a fair amount of WR depth that I could probably live with.

Oh well; poor form to piggyback on someone else's blueprint.
It's a kind of expensive tradeup for one spot, but I did it, albeit with a grimace.

Pestilence, FYI you can also grab the Bengals' 245th pick in return on your trade. It's only worth 2 points, so you can grab another late guy if you want.
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Rain Man 07:21 PM 05-05-2016
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Yeah, I probably should've done the trade-up thing; I didn't really notice that he went right before our pick at 5-25 (and I knew that Davis went at 5-26 who I really liked and thought we needed as DAT insurance).

That would've allowed me to take Willie Henry at 126 and Westerman at 161. Costs me a couple of WR projects but we have a fair amount of WR depth that I could probably live with.

Oh well; poor form to piggyback on someone else's blueprint.
Eh, I'm fine if you want to re-think it. We still have others who haven't posted their draft yet.
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Rain Man 07:29 PM 05-05-2016
We're all weirdly in sync. Are we great talent evaluators, or are we victims of media bias in grading players?
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chiefscafan 07:57 PM 05-05-2016
Ok I had kelcie McCray but I accepted the trade to seattle. I'm also gonna accept the bucs trade down so here are my picks



1-28 (28th): Myles Jack ILB/OLB UCLA

3-11 (74th): Kivaree Russel CB Notre Dame

4-8 (106th): Eric Muarry CB/S Minnesota

4-28 (126th): Demarcus Robinson WR Florida

5-25 (162nd): Kevin Hogan QB Stanford

5-28 (165th): Kyle Murphy OT Stanford

6-28 (203rd): Mike Thomas WR Southern Miss

7-28 (249th: Vernon Adams QB Oregon
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The Franchise 09:50 AM 05-06-2016
Originally Posted by Rain Man:

Pestilence, FYI you can also grab the Bengals' 245th pick in return on your trade. It's only worth 2 points, so you can grab another late guy if you want.
Edited to eliminate confusion.
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Rain Man 12:02 PM 05-06-2016
Originally Posted by chiefscafan:
Ok I had kelcie McCray but I accepted the trade to seattle. I'm also gonna accept the bucs trade down so here are my picks



1-28 (28th): Myles Jack ILB/OLB UCLA

3-11 (74th): Kivaree Russel CB Notre Dame

4-8 (106th): Eric Muarry CB/S Minnesota

4-28 (126th): Demarcus Robinson WR Florida

5-25 (162nd): Kevin Hogan QB Stanford

5-28 (165th): Kyle Murphy OT Stanford

6-28 (203rd): Mike Thomas WR Southern Miss

7-28 (249th: Vernon Adams QB Oregon

Clearly rebelling against the Andrew Billings and Christian Westerman bandwagon. We'll see if that helps you or hurts you in the long run.
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The Franchise 12:09 PM 05-06-2016
Do we get the UDFA's that the Chiefs signed? Or is that a no because they're still considered part of the draft?
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Rain Man 12:12 PM 05-06-2016
Originally Posted by Pestilence:
Do we get the UDFA's that the Chiefs signed? Or is that a no because they're still considered part of the draft?
Yep, once training camp starts, all owners get all of the new Chiefs who didn't come from the draft. In Year One, you'll actually get all Chiefs, of course.

Beginning in Year 2, the rule is that you get anyone that wasn't on the Chiefs roster the year before and who didn't come from the draft. So for example the existing owners will get Mitchell Schwartz and Rod Streater and all of the camp fodder guys.

I'll produce that list once training camp starts, and everyone will add them to their training camp rosters.
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DJ's left nut 03:07 PM 05-06-2016
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Eh, I'm fine if you want to re-think it. We still have others who haven't posted their draft yet.
Hmmmm....

Okay, I'll make the trade up with the Bengals, giving up 162 and 203 for 161 and 245.

I'm also going to make a trade down with the Vikings giving up 106 (82*.65 = 53.3) for 121 and 244 (52+1 = 53). Still taking Billings at 121, it just gives me another crack at a UDFA that I like.


1-28 (28th pick) -- Myles Jack, LB - USC; taking him here in the first to get the 5th year option and redshirt him. Long-term replacement for DJ.

3-11 (74th pick) -- KeiVarae Russell, CB - ND is a good pick here. I ran a trade-up scenario for Bullard but the .85 penalty was just too steep. So I'll be sticking with Dorsey's pick here. I also thought about the higher upside play in Kendall Fuller but in the end, I'm pretty impressed with this kid so I'm standing pat.

4-23 (121st pick) -- Andrew Billings, NT - Baylor; this kid is !@#$ing STRONG. Can't play end like Jones but can probably play the nose even better. Give Poe a breather with him or put him alongside him in Nickel sets and this is a tough line to run on period.

4-28 (126th pick) -- Willie Henry, DT - Michigan; just a nice value play and if Poe really is lost to FA, Henry alongside Billings can team up with Howard and provide a nice bit of push and rotational strength.

5-24 (161nd pick) -- Christian Westerman, G - ASU; best interior line prospect on the board here and better than Ehringer.

5-28 (165th pick) -- DJ White, CB - Georgia Tech; Thought very strongly about going with Jatavis Brown here but ultimately I just don't know how I'd use him in this system. Maybe as a hybrid safety in a 4-2-5 setup but I dunno. He's a 4-3 player that isn't a great fit in a 3-4, IMO. White's a nice little get this late.

6-28 (203rd pick) -- Mike Thomas, WR - Southern Miss; small school kid with elite measurables. Probably nothin', maybe somethin'. Could possibly return kicks.

7-23 (244th pick) -- Jack Allen, C - Michigan State; I don't understand Allen going undrafted at all. I don't think Graham Glasgow is any better bet to be good than he is and Glasgow went in the third. Allen's a smart player and by all accounts a great dude. I'm not sure he can make the team but I'm willing to find out.

7-24 (245th pick) --Avery Young, OT - Auburn; I see absolutely nothing that makes Ehringer better than Young. In fact, I think Young has a better shot at sticking at T than Ehringer and has more upside at G. Allen and Young probably have a battle royale to see who sticks (if either) and it's probably overkill, but I just both of these guys should've been drafted.

7-28 (249th pick) -- Tyvis Powell, FS - Ohio State; signed by Seattle and they do okay identifying safety talent. Tall, fast kid who probably can't be coached into a Sean Smith type but the physical ability is there. Should be a nice backup safety though; more of a Ron Parker style safety than a Daniel Sorenson.
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DJ's left nut 03:16 PM 05-06-2016
Threw a little more variety in on this one; I don't think I saw Henry, Allen, Young or Powell mentioned. I thought about Jonathan Jones out of Auburn with one of my 7ths as well as Jeremy Cash at SS or Jake Coker at QB. Jones was just too small (though he can play in the slot somewhere, IMO), Cash too slow (pure box safety; don't care for those) and Coker simply doesn't have the production and given the microscope GMs put big program QBs under, plenty of eyes have been on him and passed.

I almost took Drew Kaser instead of White and Jones instead of Young; frankly I probably should but I don't like the T depth situation on this team at all so I grabbed Young even though I'm not sure he can actually stick there. And I just like White. If we incorporated a salary cap into this thing, I'd have done it. Colquitt's just way too damn expensive. I came off striker because I forgot that I get UDFAs the Chiefs sign and I like Terrance Smith from FSU. I'll probably try to find a way to hold onto him, making Striker a surefire cut.

So having used my trade up and my trade down, I will call this one my draft and put my original in spoiler tags so as not to cause confusion.

Pest - I also encourage you to take the Billings trade down and pick up that extra 7th to try to snag another of the handful of UDFAs that you can essentially get for free (may I recommend a highly decorated former Big 10 center with a wide open path to playing time in New Orleans....).
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The Franchise 03:43 PM 05-06-2016
I almost took Jack Allen. I may very well take that trade down like DJ has so generously pointed out.
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The Franchise 03:46 PM 05-06-2016
After both my trade up and trade down.....here is my updated draft.

1-28 (28th) - Myles Jack, ILB, UCLA - I could have accepted the 49er trade but it made it too expensive to try and trade back up for Jack. I'll just stay at 28 and draft him. Put him next to DJ until DJ retires.....and then move him to DJ's vacant spot.

3-11 (74th) - KeiVarae Russell, CB, Notre Dame - No explanation necessary. Starts immediately opposite Peters. Gaines is my NB.

4-23 (121st) - Andrew Billings, NT, Baylor - I'm not passing up this beast. If for some reason we lose Poe....he can fill in at NT. I'd love to move Poe to DE....but we'll see.

4-28 (126th) - K.J. Dillon, S, West Virginia - I don't trust any of the safeties behind Berry and Parker.

5-24 (161st) - Christian Westerman, OG, Arizona State - I need competition at the OG spots. There was no way that I wasn't going to trade up one spot to take this kid.

5-28 (165th) - Kyle Murphy, OT, Stanford - My new swing tackle.

7-23 (244th pick) -- Jack Allen, C, Michigan State

7-24 (245th) - Keyarris Garrett, WR, Tulsa

7-28 (249th) - Kalan Reed, CB, Southern Miss. - Insurance in case Nelson turns out to be shit. Plus it allows me to get rid of Cooper.
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