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Rain Man 12:15 AM 03-22-2009
The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 35 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.


Spoiler!

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 35 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 850 points. The 10th pick is normally 1,300 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*1,300, or 1,495 points.

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 850 points, but in this game it will be worth 553 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 480 points, so you can get 73 points back from the other team.

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 73 points in the above example from a third team.)

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Rain Man 11:05 PM 04-11-2016
Dang it, we're losing Sean Smith, too. That's going to hurt. I've got some gaping holes to fill.
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Otter 05:32 PM 04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Dang it, we're losing Sean Smith, too. That's going to hurt. I've got some gaping holes to fill.
You've left yourself wide open with that post and I can't believe I used to live in Harrisburg.
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kccrow 11:29 PM 04-20-2016
Give my team the name Superior Yetis
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Rain Man 08:06 PM 04-23-2016
Okay, your draft picks are:

1-28 (28th pick)
2-28 (59th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
5-28 (165th pick) - If you have Kelcie McCray on your roster, you can accept this trade and get this pick or reject it and keep McCray. If you're a new player, you can have this pick.
6-28 (203rd pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

If you're new, here are the rules for new teams:

1. You'll start out with all of the Chiefs players on their roster EXCEPT the ones that they draft in 2016.

2. You'll draft your own players with the Chiefs' picks. You can take the Chiefs players if you want, but there's no need to do so. It's an honor system, but you should post your draft as soon as possible after the NFL draft. If you do not post a draft before training camp starts, you'll be assigned the Chiefs' actual draft. The most fair process is that you'll post your draft within a week of the actual NFL draft. As an aside, I like to discuss who I was considering with each pick so I can go back later and kick or congratulate myself.

3. You can trade up or down before or after the draft, but see the rules. If you move before the draft, you can just use the famous Jimmy Johnson draft chart. If you move up or down after the draft, you'll have to pay a big penalty as described in the opening post. We do this because after the draft you'll have perfect information about the picks needed to draft your favorite prospect, so it would be easy to game the system. If you want to trade up or trade down, post it and I'll give you an example and some calculations.

4. At the end of training camp, you'll cut your roster to 53 players. There is no injured reserve and no practice squad. You get only 53 players. Again, it's an honor system, but the general rule is to build your roster in a similar matter to an NFL team, so don't keep 8 quarterbacks and 1 offensive lineman.

5. At the end of the season, we review our teams and chat about what we did right or wrong, and where our strengths and weaknesses like. We don't do any competitions or anything at this point. It's just for discussion.
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Rain Man 11:54 PM 04-30-2016
So here's the story. You'll start out with these picks:

1-28 (28th pick)
2-28 (59th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
5-28 (165th pick) - If you have Kelcie McCray on your roster, you can accept this trade and get this pick or reject it and keep McCray. If you're a new player, you can have this pick.
6-28 (203rd pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

The Chiefs made two trade downs. If you accept the first one (49ers) and reject the second one (Buccaneers), you get the following picks.

2-6 (37th pick)
2-28 (59th pick)
4-7 (105th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
5-28 (165th pick) - If you have Kelcie McCray on your roster, you can accept this trade and get this pick or reject it and keep McCray. If you're a new player, you can have this pick.
6-3 (178th pick)
6-28 (203rd pick)

If you reject the first one (49ers) and accept the second one (Buccaneers), you get the following picks:

1-28 (28th pick)
3-11 (74th pick)
4-8 (106th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
5-28 (165th pick) - If you have Kelcie McCray on your roster, you can accept this trade and get this pick or reject it and keep McCray. If you're a new player, you can have this pick.
6-28 (203rd pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

If you accept both trades, you get:

2-6 (37th pick)
3-11 (74th pick)
4-7 (105th pick)
4-8 (106th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
5-28 (165th pick) - If you have Kelcie McCray on your roster, you can accept this trade and get this pick or reject it and keep McCray. If you're a new player, you can have this pick.
6-3 (178th pick)
6-28 (203rd pick)

Of course, you can do your own trade up and trade down scenarios too, subject to the rules that require a discount. Let me know if you're interested and I can calculate your trading points.
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Rain Man 12:47 AM 05-03-2016
Okay, we have some complicated trade decisions this year. Here's the Duluth scenario.

First, we don't have Kelcie McCray on the roster so we can't trade him. Therefore, we start out with the following picks:

1-28 (28th pick)
2-28 (59th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
6-28 (203rd pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

We will reject the first Chiefs trade down scenario with the 49ers, and we will accept the second one with the Buccaneers (trading our 59th pick for their 74th and 106th picks). This puts us with the following picks:

1-28 (28th pick)
3-11 (74th pick)
4-8 (106th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
6-28 (203rd pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

We will now initiate a trade down with the Bears, as follows:

We give up our 1-28 (28th pick) valued at 660 points x .65 = 429 points.

In return, we get their 2-25 (56th pick), 4-15 (113th pick), and 6-10 (185th pick). Those picks are valued at 340+68+17.4 points = 425.4 points.

That puts our picks as follows:

2-25 (56th pick)
3-11 (74th pick)
4-8 (106th pick)
4-15 (113th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
6-10 (185th pick)
6-28 (203rd pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

We will now make a trade up with the Bengals, as follows:

We give up our 5-25 (162nd pick) and 6-28 (203rd pick). These are valued at 26.6*.85 points and 10.2*.85 points for a total of 31.27 points. In return, we will receive their 5-24 (161st pick) and 7-24 (245th pick). These are valued at 27 and 2 points for a total of 29 points.

This now puts us with the following picks:

2-25 (56th pick)
3-11 (74th pick)
4-8 (106th pick)
4-15 (113th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-24 (161st pick)
6-10 (185th pick)
7-24 (245th pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

These trades follow all the rules because:

- I'm initiating no more than one trade up.
- I'm initiating no more than one trade down (other than a Chiefs trade that I'm accepting)
- When trading down, I'm discounting my draft points by 35 percent and gaining no more than two additional picks and not gaining draft points.
- When trading up, I'm discounting my draft points by 15 percent and gaining no more than two additional picks and not gaining draft points.

So those are my draft choices now. In the next post I'll detail my draft.
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DJ's left nut 03:08 PM 05-04-2016
Spoiler!

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The Franchise 04:21 PM 05-04-2016
I'll create a team.

Sacramento Sad Sacks.
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Rain Man 05:22 PM 05-04-2016
DJ and I like a couple of the same guys. Barring a last-minute change I'll also be drafting Billings and Westerman.
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Rain Man 10:20 PM 05-04-2016
Per my earlier post, I have the following picks:

2-25 (56th pick)
3-11 (74th pick)
4-8 (106th pick)
4-15 (113th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-24 (161st pick)
6-10 (185th pick)
7-24 (245th pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

Here are my picks:

2-25 (56th pick) - G Cody Whitehair (Bears)

I don't know how my interior line collapsed so badly last year, but I need help. I debated not trading down and taking either Chris Jones or Robert Nkemdiche on the DL, or CB Xavien Howard or DE Noah Spence. It came down to Jones or Whitehair, and Whitehair seems like a safe pick in a big area of need.

3-11 (74th pick) - CB Kendall Fuller (Redskins)

This pick came down to Fuller or Shilique Calhoun. I need a DE badly, but I'm in a 3-4 and wasn't sure that Calhoun would fit without a big talent shuffle. I briefly considered DTs Adolphus Washington and Jason Hargrave, but really need a starting CB and decided that I could go DL later in the draft. Fuller may get a chance early.

4-8 (106th pick) - SS Miles Killebrew (Lions)

This is a bit of a luxury pick. I kind of need a SS, but it wasn't vital at this point. However, I liked Killebrew enough that I decided to spend a pick on him. I really liked Pharoh Cooper as well, but have no need at WR. I also considered DT Hassan Ridgeway.

4-15 (113th pick) - NT Andrew Billings (Bengals)

I hope he works out, because I'm probably giving him a starting job as a 3-4 DE. He was too much potential value to pass up. Again, I considered Pharoh Cooper and Hassan Ridgeway.

4-28 (126th pick) - C Evan Boehm (Cardinals)

I very much wanted RB Jordan Howard here, and considered G Christian Westerman, but in the end I need a center. I was also enamored with CB Zack Sanchez and DE Matt Judon, but went with need.

5-24 (161st pick) - G Christian Westerman (Bengals)

I strongly considered OLB Jatavis Brown and WR Rashard Higgins, but I liked Westerman enough to trade up one spot to get him. I figure between him and Whitehair, I can get a good starter to complement Alex Boone at G, and maybe good depth, too.

6-10 (185th pick) - CB Harlan Miller (Cardinals)

It came down to Harlan versus G Vadal Alexander, but I'd already drafted two guards. I need corner depth.

7-24 (245th pick) - ILB Scooby Wright (Browns)

I don't need an ILB at all, but couldn't pass on Scooby Wright here. He's got a chance to be a low-cost starter in the long run. I didn't really debate anyone else here.

7-28 (249th pick) - CB Kalan Reed (Titans)

We were late in the draft here and I kept hearing that he's a sleeper. So I took him. I didn't really consider anyone else.


I came into the draft with starting holes at LG, DE, and CB, and needed upgrades at C, LT, and SS. I hope that I made good progress toward filling those needs.
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DJ's left nut 08:28 AM 05-05-2016
Man, we really do like a lot of the same guys.

Fuller was a finalist at 3, I had Boehm picked at 126 until the last minute. I almost took 49ers trade down specifically to get Killebrew but I didn't love the options it left me at 37.

Jatavis Brown and Vadal Alexander were both guys I thought hard about in the later rounds and would've taken Alexander as well had I made the 49ers trade and moved up to the 6th. I had Reed as my last pick (was just going to parrot my comment for Thomas) but then decided that I'd switch it up a bit and see if I couldn't find a UDFA that I liked.

Looks like the only guys you took that weren't in the final 3 of a pick for me were Harlan Miller, Rashard Higgins and Matt Judon (who I must confess I know absolutely nothing about). I didn't really consider Cooper either but only because I thought Billings was a no-brainer there, otherwise he'd have been on the list.
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DJ's left nut 08:34 AM 05-05-2016
I guess I need to name my team, eh?

Gonna go international here - The Mexico City Herrings
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The Franchise 09:43 AM 05-05-2016
If we accept both trades.....does that mean that we aren't able to complete another trade up or down?
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The Franchise 10:42 AM 05-05-2016
And the link for the trade value chart isn't showing anything. What are we supposed to use?
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Rain Man 10:46 AM 05-05-2016
Originally Posted by Pestilence:
If we accept both trades.....does that mean that we aren't able to complete another trade up or down?
Nope, you can initiate one trade up and one trade down independent from accepting or rejecting any actual Chiefs trades.

Just recall the rules that:

Only one trade each way as noted.
You cannot acquire more than two extra picks in a trade.
In a tradedown you must discount your points by 35 percent (multiply by 0.65) and in a tradeup you must discount your points by 15 percent (multiply by 0.85).
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