Originally Posted by Bwana:
Yeah I get that, but if the lady was shot center mass and the projectile kept going after that and wounded another person, that almost has to be a live round. A blank, or a projected part of another blank, it's going to have that kind of penetration. In this case, the gossip rag is probably correct.
That's what I was wondering. If it was not a live round but was a blank, to hit two people would require two shots. And if it did involve two shots, the odds are much higher Baldwin would have been taken into custody.
The infuriating thing about this is that Baldwin will not learn his lesson but will bloviate about how guns are so dangerous that even a trained professional such as himself who is surrounded by other trained professionals unfortunately caused someone's death. And then a whole bunch of actors will surround each other and stroke each others' egos telling themselves that they work in a tremendously dangerous profession that is truly important and they communicate truth to power so the whole world better shut up and listen to them. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ChiTown:
This. I think it's pretty clear it was a live round at this point, unless Alec fired the gun twice.
We don't know, it's equally feasible that the gun in question had some iffy mechanicals, and whatever charge was in it just discharged a broken piece, even just a sliver, with enough velocity to cause considerable soft tissue damage. [Reply]
I don't get the comments conflating this accident with Baldwin's politics and general ass-holery.
As of now, this appears to be an unfortunate accident on the set. I don't see how Baldwin's anti-gun beliefs really come into play. And why would he need to "learn a lesson"? I mean, if he's already anti-gun then accidentally shooting and killing an innocent woman isn't likely to make him change his stance, is it? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mennonite:
I don't get the comments conflating this accident with Baldwin's politics and general ass-holery.
As of now, this appears to be an unfortunate accident on the set. I don't see how Baldwin's anti-gun beliefs really come into play. And why would he need to "learn a lesson"? I mean, if he's already anti-gun then accidentally shooting and killing an innocent woman isn't likely to make him change his stance, is it?
Eh, I don't agree with it, but I get it. He's very vocal, and very anti-gun, so there's at least a little irony in the whole thing.
But this almost certainly isn't his fault outside of the very fringe scenario where he did it on purpose. If anything, it will likely strengthen his anti-gun stance and likely make him an advocate for eliminating real guns on sets entirely. [Reply]
I suppose it's ironic in the same way that someone who opposes drunk driving getting run over by a drunk driver is ironic.
FWIW, I disagree whole-heartedly with Baldwin's stance on the second amendment. I mean, if he intentionally shot these people that would be one thing, but this seems like a tragedy that would confirm (for him at least) what he already believes. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco:
The prop guy wasn’t in a union? Holy shit. Here’s Alec Baldwin, a pro-union guy if ever there was one, working on a set that hired non-union help and this happens. The producer is the money guy, as I understand it. That asshole, whom ever he might be, ought to be the one held responsible for this shit.
Avoiding the unions is the whole reason they leave California to make movies. For low-budget it's probably their only option.
If they're driving a company truck, teamsters get paid from the moment they walk out their front door to the moment they get back home. Must be pretty sweet.
My friend is a production manager for commercials. We bumped into a head teamster that works on a lot of her shoots one night at a restaurant. You could just tell by every bit of body language in the interaction that he was essentially her boss, even though technically she was his boss. Dude even had a gold chain and black turtleneck, looking like a mob boss, with the attitude to match. He knew he was the shit. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
That article seems to be just speculating based on the word "projectile".
There are several outlets reporting it was a live round at this point. I mean it's the media, so they could all be FOS, but it's out there from several sources. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bwana:
Yeah I get that, but if the lady was shot center mass and the projectile kept going after that and wounded another person, that almost has to be a live round. A blank, or a projected part of another blank, it's going to have that kind of penetration. In this case, the gossip rag is probably correct.
Imagine being handed an authentic firearm and not inspecting it. As mentioned above here, the level of incompetence is impressive around the table on this one. [Reply]
It would be worth knowing if they were just standing around off scene fucking around with the gun or if he was indeed in scene staring down a camera for a shot after being handed the gun by whatever cheap flunky he hired so he didn't have to pay union wages. In one case it's all on him, in the other he may have been in a lighting situation where he wasn't even able to see there were people down range after being handed a prepared weapon by a "professional" who was paid to be in total control of the weapon prep.
There's really no way to avoid the gun and union stance in this pile of hypocrisy.
I vote he's a dumb fuck all the way around and they should just go ahead and film a real hanging scene for the movie. [Reply]