Is there a place where we could perhaps backtrack to a place of less antagonism? I feel as if we are talking about parallel arguments here.
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feel free

I can change the thread OP so as to include all movies so as we won't be hijacking.

I always envisioned the contents as a gold monkey mask and you?
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Potentially, I think. Sure. Well, it would cease being a "conversation" at that point as I, the listener, experience this oral art, whatever it may be considered specifically (a story? a dramatic monologue [about a book?])
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I've read all the arguments for and against, and still conclude the ending sucked.
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Actually, I was enjoying the antagonism.....that's why I brought up rap, you and my brother, Domer have butted heads over that enough that I thought it would get your goat.

Here are my 3 points of disagreement

1) You call the movie art. Art is interporetive, by nature. Therefore, if we don't like it, we don't like it. It is not a statement of our stupidity.

2) I have a natural distaste of people saying "If you don't agree with me, it must be because you are stupid or you just don't understand " It is arrogant, condescending and rude.

3) Back to the "reality" issue, perception is not always reality. Because YOUR senses tell you something....that doesn't make it true.
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it sucked
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I was going to go with uranium, but a golden monkey mask is much better.
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Thanks, I had not had a chance to see it yet.
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Oh, DomerNKC. Heh. He was exactly who I thought of when you brought up rap in the way that you did. My exact thought was "Oh, fuck me. Another Domer." That's funny.

My responses:

1) Truthfully, I don't disagree with you. At all. My condescending comment that you initially responded to was itself a response to JDiddy saying that my calling the movie "a commentary on the harshness of reality, the lack of a clean and perfect narrative in reality" was just a personal interpretation of the movie. I disagree with that -- I think that thread of commentary is objectively in the movie. Whether it is done well or not is a different matter.

2) That's fair. Outside of a little bit of snarkyness, I feel as if I have stayed above that fray. Meh.

3) That, quite clearly is true in the abstract. BUT I seriously was just talking about the sky. I suspect that your senses will tell you that a clear sky is blue just like mine do. Ask anyone else what color a clear sky is and they will say blue. Now obviously testimony has its own epistemological issues, but whatev.
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I still disagree that a movie is art. A movie is an interpretation of art.
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Is it that no movies are art for you? Or just movies that lack an original screenplay?
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And we all just might be wrong......thanks for the fun tonight!
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It's so much fun talking epistemology with an indirect realist. :-)
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:-) wait a fucking minute....aren't we supposed to be arguing?:-)
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pretty much all movies

to me the screenplay is the art
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