I have a feeling Mac Jones and Justin Fields will go in the first round as well, even though they're not top flight prospects. Some team will do it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
I have a feeling Mac Jones and Justin Fields will go in the first round as well, even though they're not top flight prospects. Some team will do it.
For sure. I just think there are still a lot of teams clueless on how to scout a QB.
Mac Jones is polished and has mental traits but his arm talent and athleticism are not NFL plus.
Fields has nice athleticism but doesn't process the field well.
If an NFL GM takes Fields top ten then everyone in that FO is getting fired in 2 or 3 years. [Reply]
Sorry fellas, I can't be on board with Wilson over Lawrence, and that's me thinking Wilson is light year's better than the rest of the crop after the two of them. I really like Wilson and he shows some Mahomie-like traits throwing off-platform, but he's not Mahomes and he's not as good as Lawrence at anything. It's not even necessarily that close for me.
Mac Jones has enough arm talent and the smarts to be extremely successful in a place like New England or really, any system that focuses more on shallower West Coast/Erhardt Perkins schemes than deeper Air Coryell schemes. I could see fits in Chicago, Pittsburgh, Philly, New Orleans, Indy, Minnesota, and so on. Aside from Wilson and Lawrence, I'd put him as most likely to succeed if I'm being honest.
I have serious reservations about Fields and Lance. Lance, while I like enough, I feel he's Alex Smith. He looks good at what he does in college, but not 100% of it translates and what does makes me think he's going to be more content with the checkdown than he is trying to make a play, and that's not good enough but it'll win you games.
As for Fields, I couldn't even take him in the 1st. He's way too far behind in the mental processing department and really should be more like a 3rd round pick. That said, teams see those flashes of when he does it all right and it's big-time. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Sorry fellas, I can't be on board with Wilson over Lawrence, and that's me thinking Wilson is light year's better than the rest of the crop after the two of them. I really like Wilson and he shows some Mahomie-like traits throwing off-platform, but he's not Mahomes and he's not as good as Lawrence at anything. It's not even necessarily that close for me.
Mac Jones has enough arm talent and the smarts to be extremely successful in a place like New England or really, any system that focuses more on shallower West Coast/Erhardt Perkins schemes than deeper Air Coryell schemes. I could see fits in Chicago, Pittsburgh, Philly, New Orleans, Indy, Minnesota, and so on. Aside from Wilson and Lawrence, I'd put him as most likely to succeed if I'm being honest.
I have serious reservations about Fields and Lance. Lance, while I like enough, I feel he's Alex Smith. He looks good at what he does in college, but not 100% of it translates and what does makes me think he's going to be more content with the checkdown than he is trying to make a play, and that's not good enough but it'll win you games.
As for Fields, I couldn't even take him in the 1st. He's way too far behind in the mental processing department and really should be more like a 3rd round pick. That said, teams see those flashes of when he does it all right and it's big-time.
Mac Jones reminds me a lot of Daniel Jones, honestly. I think he could be a solid, if unspectacular, QB in the league but somebody is going to take him higher than they should. Jones' only real problem is ball security (fumbles) - he's actually a plus passer. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Sorry fellas, I can't be on board with Wilson over Lawrence, and that's me thinking Wilson is light year's better than the rest of the crop after the two of them. I really like Wilson and he shows some Mahomie-like traits throwing off-platform, but he's not Mahomes and he's not as good as Lawrence at anything. It's not even necessarily that close for me.
Mac Jones has enough arm talent and the smarts to be extremely successful in a place like New England or really, any system that focuses more on shallower West Coast/Erhardt Perkins schemes than deeper Air Coryell schemes. I could see fits in Chicago, Pittsburgh, Philly, New Orleans, Indy, Minnesota, and so on. Aside from Wilson and Lawrence, I'd put him as most likely to succeed if I'm being honest.
I have serious reservations about Fields and Lance. Lance, while I like enough, I feel he's Alex Smith. He looks good at what he does in college, but not 100% of it translates and what does makes me think he's going to be more content with the checkdown than he is trying to make a play, and that's not good enough but it'll win you games.
As for Fields, I couldn't even take him in the 1st. He's way too far behind in the mental processing department and really should be more like a 3rd round pick. That said, teams see those flashes of when he does it all right and it's big-time.
That’s all fair and you’re probably right.
I’ve just become really skeptical of QBs from power programs. Lawrence has never really dealt with adversity and has always had a talent advantage around him.
He’s what you build in a lab if you’re making a QB, though. [Reply]
The case on Lawrence is the same that everyone could have said on DeShaun Watson, and Watson proved alot of it was him and not as much the supposed talent around him.
Lawrence is a similar case in that he makes everything look pretty easy at the college level and he does have talent around him. So did Joe Burrow.
Lawrence throws dimes to every part of the field consistently, he reads defenses, and he's the leader of that team. He has everything you want on the field and he also happens to have prototype size and athleticism. I'd be shocked to death is he wasn't better than Watson. [Reply]
Finally watched the Simms cast... Maybe I'll go back to Wilson as he makes a solid argument. I guess I just didn't see what I saw from Mahomes coming out. Not that he isn't very, very good but I'm just not sure he has the same zip and same ability to see the field. That said, him thinking Mond is a 1st rounder gives me some pause.
I haven't watched QBs hard this year for obvious reasons. I don't really care haha. I'd care more about the 5th and 6th round backup guys. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Finally watched the Simms cast... Maybe I'll go back to Wilson as he makes a solid argument. I guess I just didn't see what I saw from Mahomes coming out. Not that he isn't very, very good but I'm just not sure he has the same zip and same ability to see the field. That said, him thinking Mond is a 1st rounder gives me some pause.
I haven't watched QBs hard this year for obvious reasons. I don't really care haha. I'd care more about the 5th and 6th round backup guys.
This is where it could impact us. If Mond is as good as Simms says then it could be worth a go as most people have him as a 5th/6th round pick.
I like Mac Jones and glad Simms agrees. For me, if he ends up somewhere like New England, NO or Pittsburgh he could do really well. [Reply]