Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Raiderhader:
We are choosing to allow our elected officials to take away our individual rights to decide what is essential for our lives. I don’t know about you, but going to work everyday is essential to my existence. They are saying otherwise, like they some how know me and my life and can reasonably make that decision for me.
We are choosing to wreck the lives of the masses economically and through the loss of natural rights/civil liberties to save the lives of a few.
Originally Posted by Raiderhader:
We are choosing to allow our elected officials to take away our individual rights to decide what is essential for our lives. I don’t know about you, but going to work everyday is essential to my existence. They are saying otherwise, like they some how know me and my life and can reasonably make that decision for me.
We are choosing to wreck the lives of the masses economically and through the loss of natural rights/civil liberties to save the lives of a few.
It absolutely is hysteria and overreaction.
I would really, really prefer not to get into a tit-for-tat discussion about this, so let's just amicably agree to disagree.
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Outside of ground beef and a few other things, including toilet paper, I'm stocked up for a month.
What's really helping is that friends are texting from the various stores around town, letting others know who has what in stock at that particular time. It's been working out pretty well the past few days but I'd really like to get a few more things so that I don't need to leave the house for goods for the next 30 days. If that fails, I may drive 30-60 miles inland to see if it's any better there but it's probably just as big of a crapshoot as it is around here.
I'm not worried about myself and my wife has been able to get the food she likes and cooks from Trader Joe's, so it's really about my kids. We're doing our best to downplay this entire situation so that they're not psychologically affected and a big part of that is getting the type of food and brands they're used to eating daily and weekly. That's the been the biggest hurdle so far but I was able to get Oscar Mayer hot dogs, salami, baloney and other things today that will last a couple of weeks if we spread them out.
Consider yourself lucky to find hot dogs. The minute they started closing schools all the kid food disappeared almost instantly. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
Consider yourself lucky to find hot dogs. The minute they started closing schools all the kid food disappeared almost instantly.
I know! It's crazy!
I purchased Oscar Mayer Angus Beef hot dogs for the first time today. I hope the kids like them because I tried to sneak past a package of Ball Park Chicken & Pork hot dogs last night and while they ate them, they did not like them.
And here I passed on a package of like 24+ hot dogs at Costco two Thursdays ago because I had "plenty" in the freezer.
It's so indescribable what's happened since. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan:
So what would you recommend?
Pretty much the way we handled the swine flu and bird flu and the other virus pandemics we’ve faced - not freak the fuck out and shut down the country. I’m not trying be a cold hearted prick, I have older people in my life who are at risk from this but, the hard reality is that death is a part of life. For the rest of us still breathing, life does not stop. We have to keep living until our time comes.
Sitting around the house on a government mandate relying on the government to feed you is not living, it’s just kind of existing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
I would really, really prefer not to get into a tit-for-tat discussion about this, so let's just amicably agree to disagree.
Originally Posted by Bwana:
Well that sucks. I went out one last time yesterday and stocked up on more meat, both freezers are full. Between that and being fully stocked on tasty adult beverages, I think I'm good.
Ditto. As long as we have electricity I have 100 pounds of beef.
Originally Posted by Raiderhader:
We are choosing to allow our elected officials to take away our individual rights to decide what is essential for our lives. I don’t know about you, but going to work everyday is essential to my existence. They are saying otherwise, like they some how know me and my life and can reasonably make that decision for me.
We are choosing to wreck the lives of the masses economically and through the loss of natural rights/civil liberties to save the lives of a few.
It absolutely is hysteria and overreaction.
Do you have any idea what would happen if we all were working right now and everyone was going out partying? I just want to hear what you think would happen. I'm curious because i thought most ppl through logical thinking have moved on from this way of thinking. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
Consider yourself lucky to find hot dogs. The minute they started closing schools all the kid food disappeared almost instantly.
Kids type food is pretty sparse in KC but I did find luck in Dollar General of all places the other day. Eckerage bologna Ball Park dogs Totino pizza rolls and pepperoni pizza. I was surprised all was cheaper than what I would pay on a regular world is sane day at Walmart. My daughter is a stinker she will simply go hungry if she doesn't have that crap. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy: Do you have any idea what would happen if we all were working right now and everyone was going out partying? I just want to hear what you think would happen. I'm curious because i thought most ppl through logical thinking have moved on from this way of thinking.
Originally Posted by displacedinMN:
Ditto. As long as we have electricity I have 100 pounds of beef.
OH MY IT HAPPENED
The one thing I would like to have that has been an Unsolved Mystery, is Kidney beans for my Chili. Every firkin can in town is gone. Even Walmart on-line is pretty much out, other than the extreme price gougers. Not the end of the world, I can go all beef.
I ordered A LOT of charcoal today as well at regular price. All that seems to have vanished around here as well, of course it's not exactly BBQ season in Montana yet, so I think the stock was low to begin with. I have a couple of cords of wood out back, but I'm thinking ash and pine wouldn't exactly make the best smoking wood. :-) [Reply]
