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Rain Man 12:15 AM 03-22-2009
The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 35 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.


Spoiler!

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 35 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 850 points. The 10th pick is normally 1,300 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*1,300, or 1,495 points.

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 850 points, but in this game it will be worth 553 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 480 points, so you can get 73 points back from the other team.

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 73 points in the above example from a third team.)

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Kellerfox 11:17 AM 04-02-2022
Getting some work in today in my Tacoma Trash Pandas spreadsheet (clearing out lost FAs, adding new signings, and figuring out what draft picks I’ll have later this month). I REALLY don’t want to accept the Tyreek trade but feel I have to given how many holes my roster currently has. I need the picks to fill a 53 man roster. I think I projected my picks correctly, but let me know if my logic is wrong Rain/Crow.



Tacoma Trash Panda 2022 Draft Picks

Draft pick related transactions

Owned Draft Picks

#1 - 29 (via Hill trade)
#1 - 30 (Chiefs)
#2 - 50 (via Hill trade)
#2 - 62 (Chiefs)
#3 - 94 (Chiefs)
#3 - 103 (Chiefs - comp)
#4 - 121 (via Hill trade)
#4 - 135 (Chiefs)
#6 - 208 (Chiefs - kept by not trading for Melvin Ingram)
#7 - 233 (via Hughes trade)
#7 - 251 (Chiefs)
#7 - 259 (Chiefs - comp)
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Rain Man 11:11 PM 04-02-2022
Here's what I see on the draft possibilities. Do we match?

1st round (29th overall) - You get this only if Tyreek is on your current offer AND you accept the trade.

1st round (30th overall)

2nd round (50th overall) - You get this only if Tyreek is on your current offer AND you accept the trade.

2nd round (62nd overall)

3rd round (94th overall)

3rd round (103rd overall)

4th round (121st overall) - You get this only if Tyreek is on your current offer AND you accept the trade.

4th round (135th overall)

5th round (173rd overall) - You get this only if you rejected the Orlando Brown, Jr., trade last year and don't have him on your roster.

6th round (191st overall) - You get this pick only if you approved the Orlando Brown, Jr., trade and have him on your roster AND you rejected the Mike Hughes trade and didn't add him to your roster.

6th round (209th overall) - You get this unless you approve the Melvin Ingram trade and add him to your training camp roster.

7th round (234th overall) - You get this only if you accepted the Mike Hughes trade and added him to your training camp roster.

7th round (244th overall) - You get this only if you had Yasir Durant on your final roster and accept the trade to the patriots.

7th round (252nd overall)

7th round (260th overall)
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Rain Man 11:16 PM 04-02-2022
Ingram wasn't released, right? So if he leaves as a free agent we can't keep him on our teams. If he was actually released we can opt to keep him on the bet that he'll sign somewhere else or come back at some point.
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Kellerfox 11:45 PM 04-02-2022
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Here's what I see on the draft possibilities. Do we match?

1st round (29th overall) - You get this only if Tyreek is on your current offer AND you accept the trade.

1st round (30th overall)

2nd round (50th overall) - You get this only if Tyreek is on your current offer AND you accept the trade.

2nd round (62nd overall)

3rd round (94th overall)

3rd round (103rd overall)

4th round (121st overall) - You get this only if Tyreek is on your current offer AND you accept the trade.

4th round (135th overall)

5th round (173rd overall) - You get this only if you rejected the Orlando Brown, Jr., trade last year and don't have him on your roster.

6th round (191st overall) - You get this pick only if you approved the Orlando Brown, Jr., trade and have him on your roster AND you rejected the Mike Hughes trade and didn't add him to your roster.

6th round (209th overall) - You get this unless you approve the Melvin Ingram trade and add him to your training camp roster.

7th round (234th overall) - You get this only if you accepted the Mike Hughes trade and added him to your training camp roster.

7th round (244th overall) - You get this only if you had Yasir Durant on your final roster and accept the trade to the patriots.

7th round (252nd overall)

7th round (260th overall)
We seem to be out of sync by 1 spot for each pick in the 6th round or later. Iíve see your numbers listed a few places and mine listed a few places. No idea whatís going on or which is right.

I was pulling from here: https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-dr...l-seven-rounds
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Rain Man 11:51 PM 04-02-2022
Originally Posted by Kellerfox:
We seem to be out of sync by 1 spot for each pick in the 6th round or later. Iíve see your numbers listed a few places and mine listed a few places. No idea whatís going on or which is right.

I was pulling from here: https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-dr...l-seven-rounds
Yeah, I was curious about that. I had pulled mine from here: https://arrowheadaddict.com/2022/03/...022-nfl-draft/

I know that sometimes draft picks alternate with tiebreakers, so we'll just sort that out when the draft comes.

I won't have the bevy of picks that the real Chiefs get. I should see how I drafted instead of Tyreek in 2016.
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kccrow 02:47 PM 04-03-2022
The only issue I see is how we handle this:

Originally Posted by :
6th round (191st overall) - You get this pick only if you approved the Orlando Brown, Jr., trade and have him on your roster AND you rejected the Mike Hughes trade and didn't add him to your roster.

6th round (209th overall) - You get this unless you approve the Melvin Ingram trade and add him to your training camp roster.

7th round (234th overall) - You get this only if you accepted the Mike Hughes trade and added him to your training camp roster.
When the trade for Hughes was made, we didn't then know which 6th round pick it would be. For me, I made the trade for Hughes but not the trade for OBJ and that was with the assumption that it would be the Chiefs' 6th and not the one acquired from Baltimore. I didn't accept the Melvin Ingram trade though. For me, it's kind of easy to rectify, just lose 209, gain 234 and I never get 191 and it all evens out. Not sure if anyone else tried to do both Hughes and Ingram and not OBJ though?

Edit:

And the 7th's should be 233 (Hughes trade), 243 (Durant trade), 251, and 259 (comp).
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kccrow 02:53 PM 04-03-2022
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Ingram wasn't released, right? So if he leaves as a free agent we can't keep him on our teams. If he was actually released we can opt to keep him on the bet that he'll sign somewhere else or come back at some point.
Ingram's contract expired, he's gone unless re-signed.
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kccrow 03:10 PM 04-03-2022
I "think" this is a comprehensive free agent listing... let me know if it needs editing.

Free Agents Released (You can keep if you want)
LB - Anthony Hitchens

Free Agents Re-Signed (You can keep if you had them)
FB - Michael Burton
TE - Blake Bell
WR - Daurice Fountain
OT - Andrew Wylie
CB - DeAndre Baker
LS - James Winchester
DT - Derrick Nnadi
WR - Josh Gordon

Free Agents Lost (You lose unless re-signed - Expired Contracts)
RB - Jerick McKinnon
OG - Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
DB - Tyrann Mathieu
LB - Melvin Ingram
RB - Darrel Williams
OT - Mike Remmers
LB - Ben Niemann
OL - Kyle Long
DE - Alex Okafor
WR - Marcus Kemp
LB - Dorian O'Daniel
CB - Chris Lammons
DB - Armani Watts

Free Agents Lost (You lose, signed elsewhere)
DL - Jarran Reed (signed w/ GB)
CB - Mike Hughes (signed w/ DET)
CB - Charvarious Ward (signed w/ SF)
WR - Byron Pringle (signed w/ CHI)
OL - Austin Blythe (signed w/ SEA)
DB - Daniel Sorensen (signed w/ NO)
WR - Demarcus Robinson (signed w/ LV)

Free Agents Added (You can add)
DB - Justin Reid
WR - Marquez Valdes-Scantling
WR - JuJu Smith-Schuster
DB - Deon Bush
OT - Geron Christian
OC - Austin Reiter
OL - Roderick Johnson
DT - Taylor Stallworth
LB - Jermaine Carter
LB - Elijah Lee
CB - Luq Barcoo
RB - Ronald Jones II
WR - Justin Watson
WR - Corey Coleman

Likely Camp Fodder FA Adds (You can add)
WR - Omar Bayless
WR - Gary Jennings
TE - Jordan Franks
TE - Matt Bushman
TE - Josh Pederson
RB - Brenden Knox
DE - Jonathan Woodard
DT - Lorenzo Neal
DT - Darius Stills
CB - Brandin Dandridge
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Rain Man 04:06 PM 04-03-2022
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Ingram's contract expired, he's gone unless re-signed.
Dang, I was hoping to keep him. I have so much trouble finding defensive ends.
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Rain Man 04:16 PM 04-03-2022
Thanks for the research, guys.

Here's what I think my picks are.

1-30
2-62
3-94
3-103
4-135
6-191
6-209
7-251
7-259

I can make hay with this.
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kccrow 06:11 AM 04-08-2022
My allotment for the year. :-)

1st round (30th overall)
2nd round (62nd overall)
3rd round (94th overall)
3rd round (103rd overall)
4th round (135th overall)
5th round (173rd overall)
7th round (233rd overall)
7th round (243rd overall)
7th round (251st overall)
7th round (259th overall)
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kccrow 06:26 AM 04-08-2022
Just so you're aware Rainman, this is the full version of the trade chart that PFT references in your link: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

I'd think it more beneficial with comp picks being tradeable now and so forth. The NFL doesn't really use this chart anymore, they use something closer to the Rich Hill model linked to on that page or here: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. That said, we've used the Jimmy Johnson one forever so I'm not advocating for change of charts, I'll leave that to you guys.
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Rain Man 08:34 PM 04-25-2022
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Just so you're aware Rainman, this is the full version of the trade chart that PFT references in your link: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

I'd think it more beneficial with comp picks being tradeable now and so forth. The NFL doesn't really use this chart anymore, they use something closer to the Rich Hill model linked to on that page or here: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. That said, we've used the Jimmy Johnson one forever so I'm not advocating for change of charts, I'll leave that to you guys.
I'm fine to switch to the first chart you mention. Let's do it.
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kccrow 05:29 PM 04-30-2022
I feel like I'm probably going to end up mirroring KC's draft pretty heavily this year. They picked quite a few guys I really like and could really use. Shall be interesting.
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Kellerfox 06:03 PM 04-30-2022
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I feel like I'm probably going to end up mirroring KC's draft pretty heavily this year. They picked quite a few guys I really like and could really use. Shall be interesting.
I did so last year and it paid offÖ and the areas where I didnít, I regretted it.

Iíve started a list of possibilities at each of my picks and itís pretty overwhelming. I have a lot of holes.
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