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Patteeu Memorial Political Forum>Dave Chapelle's "The Closer": He Fucking Roasts Everyone
AdolfOliverBush 11:30 AM 10-12-2021
Of course comedy is subjective, but I loved it. Chappelle absolutely does not give a rat's ass about backlash for his words. Comedy should be without limits. I think even us maniacs in CPDC who watch it will mostly give it a thumbs up.

Netflix chief Ted Sarandos defends controversial Dave Chappelle special in staff memo: Reports
Jenna Ryu
USA TODAY

Netflix co-CEO Ted Sarandos is defending his decision to keep comedian Dave Chappelle's controversial special "The Closer" on the streaming service.

In a Friday staff memo obtained by Variety and The Verge, Sarandos pledged Netflix's commitment to the special, despite backlash about the comedian's transphobic comments. "Chappelle is one of the most popular stand-up comedians today, and we have a long standing deal with him," Sarandos wrote in Chappelle's defense.

He continued: "As with our other talent, we work hard to support their creative freedom – even though this means there will always be content on Netflix some people believe is harmful, like 'Cuties,' '365 Days,' '13 Reasons Why,' or 'My Unorthodox Life.' "

Chappelle drew criticism for his comments in the special about the transgender community, including his defense of author J. K. Rowling, who previously conflated sex with gender and defended ideas suggesting that changing one's biological sex was a threat to her own gender identity.

"They canceled J.K. Rowling – my God," Chappelle said. "Effectually she said gender was a fact, the trans community got mad as (expletive), they started calling her a TERF… I'm Team TERF. I agree. I agree, man. Gender is a fact."

TERF is an acronym that stands for "trans exclusionary radical feminists" and describes feminists who are transphobic.

In the memo, Sarandos used Chappelle's previous special "Sticks & Stones" as an example, writing that it was also "controversial" and "our most watched, stickiest, and most award winning stand-up special to date."

USA TODAY has reached out to Netflix for comment.

Netflix CEO Ted Sarandos defended comedian Dave Chappelle's controversial comedy special, "The Closer." Sarandos also said Netflix doesn't believe that "The Closer" promotes hate speech.

"Several of you have also asked where we draw the line on hate. We don’t allow titles on Netflix that are designed to incite hate or violence, and we don’t believe 'The Closer' crosses that line," he said.

"I recognize, however, that distinguishing between commentary and harm is hard, especially with stand-up comedy which exists to push boundaries. Some people find the art of stand-up to be mean-spirited but our members enjoy it, and it’s an important part of our content offering."

"The Closer," the sixth installment in the comedian's Netflix deal, which the "Chappelle's Show" comedian describes as "his last special for a minute," includes tongue-in-cheek jokes about race, the coronavirus pandemic and negotiating "the release of DaBaby" after the rapper's homophobic comments.

Many on social media slammed Chappelle and the streaming platform, including writer Jaclyn Moore, who also serves as showrunner for Netflix's "Dear White People."

In-depth story:How trans 'Harry Potter' fans are grappling with J.K. Rowling's legacy after her transphobic comments

"I've been thrown against walls because, 'I'm not a "real" woman,' " Moore, who is transgender, tweeted. "I've had beer bottles thrown at me. So, @Netflix, I'm done."

Advocacy group GLAAD responded to the memo Monday.

“Netflix has a policy that content ‘designed to incite hate or violence’ is not allowed on the platform, but we all know that anti-LGBTQ content does exactly that," GLAAD said in a statement. "While Netflix is home to groundbreaking LGBTQ stories, now is the time for Netflix execs to listen to LGBTQ employees, industry leaders, and audiences and commit to living up to their own standards.”

Last week, the group tweeted that Chappelle's brand "has become synonymous with ridiculing trans people and other marginalized communities."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/enter...ts/6094754001/
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NJChiefsFan27 01:13 PM 10-15-2021
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
We've entered the 'you're enjoying your personal entertainment wrong' portion of the evening's program. . .

:-) :-)
I guess you missed where I posted that Dave Chappelle was bothered by exactly that when he decided to quit his show.
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Baby Lee 01:15 PM 10-15-2021
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
I guess you missed where I posted that Dave Chappelle was bothered by exactly that when he decided to quit his show.
You guessed wrong.

See, that's another instance where I have sober criticism of Chappelle's interpretation and response, but also the equanimity to let him have his perspective.

See, I don't demand people cede my perspective. Just respect that I have my own perspective, just as they have theirs.

Even, whatever label you think is too radical, socialist, communist. I don't have a problem with people having those perspectives. It's the imposing them on others that causes the problems.
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staylor26 01:25 PM 10-15-2021
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
If you don't laugh at somebody's joke that makes you a pussy? Conservatives are so insecure in their masculinity it's actually hilarious.
No, I was clearly referring to this part of your post.

“If I did have some homophobic views I would probably find those bits hilarious, and that plays into my point that there needs to be a shared understanding / agreement on the premise for a joke to really work.”

You couldn’t just leave it at “I don’t find that funny”. You had to add that in order to find it funny, it obviously means you are homophobic. The part about “needing to have a shared understanding” was also cringe as fuck. THAT’S why you’re a pussy.



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I said his comedy was racial, not political. And in order to actually understand the point of his sketches and jokes actually need an open minded and nuanced perspective on race, ie. a left leaning one. Again, it seems like you probably just enjoyed Chappelle on a very basic level without understanding the nuance of his comedy.
You might be the most condescending asshole I’ve ever encountered. How the fuck do you know how I relate or feel about any “racial” jokes Chappelle has made? Or whether I “understand” them? Again, you’re making a strawman of me as in individual in your head to fit YOUR narrative. You’re completely talking out of your ass. I guarantee I relate more to black culture and understand it more than you ever will. I actually lived it growing up playing football in South Florida with half of my friends being black. I grew up wearing baggy clothes with gold teeth listening to only rap and R&B. You don’t seem to even understand that “homophobia” and “misogyny” runs rampant in black culture. How could you possibly relate to these homophobes and mysoginists with your beliefs?

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I never said or even suggested his comedy was about racial justice. But a huge percentage of his older material is poking fun at how much casual racism there is in society. You should actually go rewatch his older stand up and of course Chappelle's show to get a better understanding of what his comedy was actually about. You might also learn to spell his name correctly.
I’ve never once denied that casual racism exists. It’s actually the kind that I’m more than willing to admit exists, and that’s for all groups. I’ve seen first hand how racist blacks can be towards Asians for example.

And here you are again telling me that I don’t have an understanding of what his comedy was actually about. It’s amazing how you continue to strawman me as an individual when you know absolutely nothing about me outside of the fact that we often disagree on political issues.

If you’re going to acknowledge that it isn’t “political” as much as it’s “racial” then stop fucking pretending to know anything about me as an individual outside of politics, which is basically the only thing you know about me yet you still can’t get right (calling me a Republican/conservative).
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NJChiefsFan27 01:26 PM 10-15-2021
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
You guessed wrong.

See, that's another instance where I have sober criticism of Chappelle's interpretation and response, but also the equanimity to let him have his perspective.
Yet you mocked me for essentially having the same perspective.

Originally Posted by :
See, I don't demand people cede my perspective. Just respect that I have my own perspective, just as they have theirs.

Even, whatever label you think is too radical, socialist, communist. I don't have a problem with people having those perspectives. It's the imposing them on others that causes the problems.
This is meaningless drivel.
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staylor26 01:29 PM 10-15-2021
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
This is meaningless drivel.
Translation: “I have nothing”
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staylor26 01:30 PM 10-15-2021
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
We've entered the 'you're enjoying your personal entertainment wrong' portion of the evening's program. . .

:-) :-)

Best show on TV hands down!
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Baby Lee 01:36 PM 10-15-2021
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Translation: “I have nothing”
At this point, I'm not even aiming at persuading him. Just providing the counterpoints to his shotgun tantrums and resentments for the benefit of those reading.

He's a lost cause who should be and deserves nothing but marginalization. He thinks his good intentions obviate his cancerous personality, but he has nothing to offer but a cautionary tale.
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NJChiefsFan27 02:12 PM 10-15-2021
Originally Posted by staylor26:
No, I was clearly referring to this part of your post.

“If I did have some homophobic views I would probably find those bits hilarious, and that plays into my point that there needs to be a shared understanding / agreement on the premise for a joke to really work.”

You couldn’t just leave it at “I don’t find that funny”. You had to add that in order to find it funny, it obviously means you are homophobic. The part about “needing to have a shared understanding” was also cringe as ****. THAT’S why you’re a pussy.
Oh I see, I used the word shared and sharing is socialism which makes me a pussy. I take back what I said, you definitely aren't insecure at all. :-)

Originally Posted by :
You might be the most condescending asshole I’ve ever encountered. How the **** do you know how I relate or feel about any “racial” jokes Chappelle has made? Or whether I “understand” them? Again, you’re making a strawman of me as in individual in your head to fit YOUR narrative. You’re completely talking out of your ass. I guarantee I relate more to black culture and understand it more than you ever will. I actually lived it growing up playing football in South Florida with half of my friends being black. I grew up wearing baggy clothes with gold teeth listening to only rap and R&B. You don’t seem to even understand that “homophobia” and “misogyny” runs rampant in black culture. How could you possibly relate to these homophobes and mysoginists with your beliefs?
I know your perspectives on race because you have posted about them a lot on here. Call it condescending if you'd like - there's definitely truth to that, but the best stand up comedians all understand how to make the audience relate to their material. It's a crucial element of what makes comedy work, at least when it comes to the comedians who are cultural critics or do heavy social commentary. Great comedy has a way of exposing your own biases and getting to a fundamental truth that you may or may not consciously understood. Sure, not every joke has to unlock a profound understanding but when you're talking about a legendary comic like Dave I don't buy that most conservatives actually are relating to his comedy in a way that he himself would appreciate. And he clearly does have reservations on how people are enjoying his material and how they receiving the message behind his satire.

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I’ve never once denied that casual racism exists. It’s actually the kind that I’m more than willing to admit exists, and that’s for all groups. I’ve seen first hand how racist blacks can be towards Asians for example.

And here you are again telling me that I don’t have an understanding of what his comedy was actually about. It’s amazing how you continue to strawman me as an individual when you know absolutely nothing about me outside of the fact that we often disagree on political issues.

If you’re going to acknowledge that it isn’t “political” and much as it’s “racial” then stop ****ing pretending to know anything about me as an individual outside of politics, which is basically the only thing you know about me yet you still can’t get right (calling me a Republican/conservative).
You push back hard against the label but you have never really demonstrated what makes you not a conservative. You are slightly more open minded on a few issues like gay marriage and abortion but you would never actually take a stand against other conservatives about protecting those rights for people the way you would fight for conservative issues. I know this because all you post about is the latest stupid conservative culture war bullshit. That is what you actually care about. Abortion rights? You support them reluctantly and with all kinds of caveats and mostly ignore the issue altogether. The issues people focus on tell you a lot more about a person's politics than what they actually tell you about their own politics when pressed on them.
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NJChiefsFan27 02:16 PM 10-15-2021
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Translation: “I have nothing”
Why don't you translate what Babbly's point is here and I'll respond to it.
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kjwood75nro 02:33 PM 10-15-2021
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Patrice would also be considered extremely misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, etc. by today’s standards.

I find it really odd that NJ would connect with him given that so much of his comedy is informed by a worldview that women are lesser than men, homosexuality is no less deviant than pissing on somebody, and I’m sure he would agree with Chapelle that biological sex is a fact and the LGBTQ community and their allies are fucking insane.

See how that works?

You only “find it odd” that I would connect with him because you’re assuming everything about me, including that I’m racist because I would disagree with some of his views on race. You assume I’m some racist white dude that watches Larry the Cable guy, so there’s no way I can relate to Patrice O’Nesl. That’s why I mean when I say you’ve created a strawman in your head of me as a person.
I believe that his best material came from his interactions with Anthony Cumia.

Through their interactions, they both made no bones about their own racism. Patrice didn't like whites, Asians, gays, women. Anthony didn't like blacks.

Yet, they got along better than anybody and had conversations that could never happen today. Their honesty and friendship was real.

Which made it all the more disappointing to see Cumia blackballed from O'Neal's annual comedy benefit and his documentary (speaking of race-cucked Bill Burr).
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staylor26 06:01 PM 10-15-2021
Originally Posted by kjwood75nro:
I believe that his best material came from his interactions with Anthony Cumia.

Through their interactions, they both made no bones about their own racism. Patrice didn't like whites, Asians, gays, women. Anthony didn't like blacks.

Yet, they got along better than anybody and had conversations that could never happen today. Their honesty and friendship was real.

Which made it all the more disappointing to see Cumia blackballed from O'Neal's annual comedy benefit and his documentary (speaking of race-outstanding citizened Bill Burr).
This guy gets Patrice O’Neal.

Patrice had no desire to change people. Yes, he might’ve thought all white people were racist, but he also knew he was racist too. He was never outraged regardless of the lines that were crossed. He’d just laugh or clap back when it was necessary.

Like I said, the dude went on national TV and defended Don Imus before cancel culture was even a thing. That speaks volumes about his principles and his belief that the difference between an offensive statement and a joke is all about intent.
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staylor26 06:08 PM 10-15-2021
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
Oh I see, I used the word shared and sharing is socialism which makes me a pussy. I take back what I said, you definitely aren't insecure at all. :-)
JFC Talk about a fucking straw man. Just continue to ignore that you called me homophobic for being able to laugh at Patrice’s jokes about homosexuality, and that’s why I’m calling you a pussy.

Originally Posted by :
I know your perspectives on race because you have posted about them a lot on here. Call it condescending if you'd like - there's definitely truth to that, but the best stand up comedians all understand how to make the audience relate to their material. It's a crucial element of what makes comedy work, at least when it comes to the comedians who are cultural critics or do heavy social commentary. Great comedy has a way of exposing your own biases and getting to a fundamental truth that you may or may not consciously understood. Sure, not every joke has to unlock a profound understanding but when you're talking about a legendary comic like Dave I don't buy that most conservatives actually are relating to his comedy in a way that he himself would appreciate. And he clearly does have reservations on how people are enjoying his material and how they receiving the message behind his satire.



You push back hard against the label but you have never really demonstrated what makes you not a conservative. You are slightly more open minded on a few issues like gay marriage and abortion but you would never actually take a stand against other conservatives about protecting those rights for people the way you would fight for conservative issues. I know this because all you post about is the latest stupid conservative culture war bullshit. That is what you actually care about. Abortion rights? You support them reluctantly and with all kinds of caveats and mostly ignore the issue altogether. The issues people focus on tell you a lot more about a person's politics than what they actually tell you about their own politics when pressed on them.
You pretty much ignored everything I said in this part of your “rebuttal”, so I’m just going to do the same with that horseshit. This is ironically the epitome of “meaningless drivel”.
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staylor26 06:12 PM 10-15-2021
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
Why don't you translate what Babbly's point is here and I'll respond to it.
If you don’t understand what his point was, that says a lot more about you than it does him.
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NJChiefsFan27 06:41 PM 10-15-2021
Originally Posted by staylor26:
If you don’t understand what his point was, that says a lot more about you than it does him.
Perhaps it does, but maybe you can explain to me what it means for somebody to impose their perspective on others? Presumably it is a way in which I am guilty and he is not, but I'd like some clarification.
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NJChiefsFan27 06:52 PM 10-15-2021
Originally Posted by staylor26:
JFC Talk about a ****ing straw man. Just continue to ignore that you called me homophobic for being able to laugh at Patrice’s jokes about homosexuality, and that’s why I’m calling you a pussy.
You act as if having some internalized homophobia makes you an evil person. Didn't I just say that I probably have some misogynistic views of my own? You're way too defensive. It doesn't necessarily mean you hate gay people.

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You pretty much ignored everything I said in this part of your “rebuttal”, so I’m just going to do the same with that horseshit. This is ironically the epitome of “meaningless drivel”.
Tapout acknowledged.
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