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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>The Julio Two-Step
Direckshun 07:06 AM 05-10-2021
So I don't know much about things, but I do know three things.

1. The Chiefs have a hole at #2 WR.
2. The Falcons are looking to trade Julio Jones.
3. The Chiefs are, clearly, not interested in losing any 2022 picks. Which, duh, because that class is going to be amazing.

That being said, we know the Chiefs can do pick swaps, as a way to handing over value but keeping the same number of bullets in the chamber.

What's the priciest pick swap you're comfortable with doing for Julio, if any?

Are you willing to fork over a 2nd for a 4th + Julio?

A 3rd for a 5th + Julio?

Are you willing to fork over a 2nd for a 3rd, a 4th + Julio?

How creative are you willing to get.
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Bowser 03:31 PM 05-20-2021
I'm way too intrigued with Cornell Powell's potential to take a swing at Julio. He may end up being the next Marcus Kemp, who knows for certain, but man we have so much firepower at other positions around the X spot already that we just don't need Julio and his contract for one year and his injuries. And I say that as a HUGE Julio fan. Hell, I think mkp has convinced me to give Larry Fitz a shot if we're looking for a vet for that spot, lol.
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Direckshun 10:12 AM 05-21-2021
Originally Posted by siberian khatru:
No thank you. Too much compensation and the Chiefs do not want to lose 2022 picks. They're only interested in swaps right now.
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Direckshun 10:12 AM 05-21-2021
Originally Posted by mkp785:
54 catches, 409 yards, 1 TD. Making league minimum
51 catches, 771 yards, 3 TDs. Making 15 million.

That's Larry Fitzgerald (who would likely sign for league minimum in order to get a ring) vs Julio and his projected 2021 salary. Those numbers are their numbers this past year.

Which one sounds better? I'll add Larry has been a iron man in his career and at the same age Julio is right now Larry put up: 109 catches, 1215 yards, 9TDs on the way to all pro year....with the corpse of Carson Palmer throwing him the ball.

Easy choice imo. If we want a 2nd WR...sign Larry Legend.
I'd do it.
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kccrow 05:18 PM 05-21-2021
Larry Fitzgerald?

We've gone from a borderline stupid use of resources that at least has the potential to be brilliant for a couple of seasons to just being stupid to be stupid. He's toast.
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CatfishBob2 10:00 PM 05-23-2021
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Larry Fitzgerald?

We've gone from a borderline stupid use of resources that at least has the potential to be brilliant for a couple of seasons to just being stupid to be stupid. He's toast.
I think Fitzgerald now is what we hope Powell is going to be albeit a lot slower.... I think he's worth a swing for his professionalism and durability alone
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kccrow 12:09 AM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by CatfishBob2:
I think Fitzgerald now is what we hope Powell is going to be albeit a lot slower.... I think he's worth a swing for his professionalism and durability alone
A bit slower? He's toast. He had 7.6 ypr last year. Robinson was more productive.
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CatfishBob2 12:55 AM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by kccrow:
A bit slower? He's toast. He had 7.6 ypr last year. Robinson was more productive.
I don't think you read my post thoroughly. I'd be more interested in Fitz' drop rate than his ypr. He wasn't taking the top off of any defenses 5 years ago. 8 yards sure sounds a hell of a lot better than 0 due to the drops though.

I don't know what the financials are but if he's cheap I'd absolutely be on board with bringing him on the redemption tour.
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kccrow 11:25 AM 05-24-2021
Originally Posted by CatfishBob2:
I don't think you read my post thoroughly. I'd be more interested in Fitz' drop rate than his ypr. He wasn't taking the top off of any defenses 5 years ago. 8 yards sure sounds a hell of a lot better than 0 due to the drops though.

I don't know what the financials are but if he's cheap I'd absolutely be on board with bringing him on the redemption tour.
Why care about drops? Unless drop rates are unreasonably high where they affect Catch/Target significantly, Catch/Target is a more useful stat. Like a drop, if a target isn't caught then it was affected by a defender or an overthrow by the QB whereby both can be/are affected by the receiver's ability to get/be open. Looking at all 3 contributing factors as a whole, then I'm fine with D Rob.

DRob's catch/target was 76.3% last year while Fitz's was 75.0%. In both cases, there was good production in regard to catch rate. The mid-70s, actually, is top-notch.

Compare them to the top 5 most productive receivers in the NFL in 2020...
Diggs - 76.5%, Hopkins - 71.9%, Adams - 77.2%, A. Robinson - 67.5%, Lockett - 75.8%


Given that both receivers are getting near similar YAC, Robinson had 165 on 45 receptions (3.67 yac ave)and Fitz had 178 on 54 receptions (3.30 yac ave), then the extra 3 yards per reception Robinson is getting comes primarily from his route.

You look at Fitz, that means on average he got the ball within the first 4.1 yards. That's not good. You question, statistically, his ability to win beyond the release. You see with your eyes he really can't anymore.
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poolboy 07:28 PM 05-24-2021
Changed my mind.. Im in on Julio...Teams need to respect our #2 receiver
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htismaqe 10:18 AM 05-25-2021
Originally Posted by poolboy:
Changed my mind.. Im in on Julio...Teams need to respect our #2 receiver
Let's pay $15M for "respect".

:-)
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poolboy 11:13 AM 05-25-2021
hopefully we could get that number down somehow
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htismaqe 12:41 PM 05-25-2021
Originally Posted by poolboy:
hopefully we could get that number down somehow
It's guaranteed. The Falcons might be able to pick up some of that but we're taking the bulk of the hit.

Re-doing his deal moves the guaranteed money, making him much more difficult to afford in the future, which isn't wise considering his age and injury history.

I think people need to realize that this move just doesn't make sense.
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kccrow 04:45 PM 05-25-2021
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
It's guaranteed. The Falcons might be able to pick up some of that but we're taking the bulk of the hit.

Re-doing his deal moves the guaranteed money, making him much more difficult to afford in the future, which isn't wise considering his age and injury history.

I think people need to realize that this move just doesn't make sense.
Money isn't the issue. I kind of outlined a "scenario" to make it happen in the Lounge thread. The issue is going to be what the Falcons want. If it's the reported 1st or even a 2nd, I'd be out. No way I'd give up that kind of capital for a 32-year-old player. A 3rd is max.
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htismaqe 11:02 PM 05-25-2021
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Money isn't the issue. I kind of outlined a "scenario" to make it happen in the Lounge thread. The issue is going to be what the Falcons want. If it's the reported 1st or even a 2nd, I'd be out. No way I'd give up that kind of capital for a 32-year-old player. A 3rd is max.
It is an issue unless you start getting really creative with the cap (like the scenario you mentioned, which still isn't all that realistic).

You're more than likely having to cut salary to fit him in PLUS trading high draft picks.

It's just too much.
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Hammock Parties 10:44 AM 05-26-2021
I can't believe people think Sammy Watkins was an instrumental part of this offense.

:-)

Or that his absence against the Bucs meant shit. :-)

Even when he was healthy he was giving us journeyman's production.

We don't need to overpay for a third target. Foolishness.
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