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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>Some prospects I love, and where I love them.
Direckshun 12:25 PM 11-18-2022
Just a rundown of some players I like. I'll use the OP as a collection of the posts I've made on them. (Strikethrough means they are returning to school.)

QB:
Cameron Ward, Washington State (4th)

RB:
Bijan Robinson, Texas (1st)
Jahmyr Gibbs, Alabama (2nd)
Devon Achane, Texas A&M (3rd)
Tank Bigsby, Auburn (3rd)
Zach Charbonnet, UCLA (3rd)
Kenny McIntosh, Georgia (4th)
Eric Gray, Oklahoma (4th)
Sean Tucker, Syracuse (5th)
Kendre Miller, TCU (6th)
Chase Brown, Illinois (7th)
Roschon Johnson, Texas (7th)
Zach Evans, Ole Miss (UDFA)

WR:
Jordan Addison, USC (1st)
Rashee Rice, SMU (1st)
Jalin Hyatt, Tennessee (2nd)
Nathaniel Dell, Jr. (2nd)
Xavier Hutchinson, Iowa State (2nd)
Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Ohio State (3rd)
Marvin Mims, Oklahoma (3rd)
Kayshon Boutte, LSU (3rd)
Josh Downs, North Carolina (5th)
Cedric Tillman, Tennessee (6th)

TE:
Luke Musgrave, Oregon State (1st)
Tucker Kraft, South Dakota State (2nd)
Dalton Kincaid, Utah (2nd)
Darnell Washington, Georgia (2nd)
Arik Gilbert, Georgia (4th)
Jaheim Bell, South Carolina (6th)
Cameron Latu, Alabama (7th)
Will Mallory, Miami (7th)

OT:
Broderick Jones, Georgia (1st)
Anton Harrison, Oklahoma (1st)
Darnell Wright, Tennessee (1st)
Peter Skoronski, Northwestern (2nd)
Jaelyn Duncan, Maryland (2nd)
Blake Freeland, BYU (2nd)
Dawand Jones, Ohio State (4th)

OG:
Cody Mauch, North Dakota State (4th)
Jarrett Patterson, Notre Dame (6th)
Nick Broeker, Ole Miss (6th)
Steve Avila, TCU (7th)

C:
Sedrick Van Pran, Georgia (5th)
Luke Wypler, Ohio State (6th)

DT:
Gervin Dexter, Florida (1st)
Bryan Bresee, Clemson (1st)
Keeanu Benton, Wisconsin (2nd)
Siaki Ika, Baylor (2nd)
Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh (2nd)
Mazi Smith, Michigan (3rd)
Zacch Pickens, South Carolina (4th)
Byron Young, Alabama (6th)

DE:
Isaiah Foskey, Notre Dame (1st)
Andre Carter II, Army (1st)
Jared Verse, Florida State (1st)
Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech (1st)
BJ Ojulari, LSU (1st)
Derick Hall, Auburn (1st)
Felix Anudike-Uzomah, Kansas State (2nd)
Will McDonald IV, Iowa State (2nd)
Lukas Van Ness, Iowa (4th)
Isaiah McGuire, Missouri (4th)
Zach Harrison, Ohio State (5th)
Princely Umanmielen, Florida (7th)
Isaiah Land, Florida A&M (UDFA)

LB:
Henry To'o To'o, Alabama (3rd)
Mike Jones Jr., LSU (4th)
Ventrell Miller, Florida (6th)

CB:
Kyu Blu Kelly, Stanford (3rd)
Tiawan Mullen, Indiana (7th)

S:
Antonio Johnson, Texas A&M (1st)
Christopher Smith II, Georgia (2nd)
Brandon Joseph, Notre Dame (2nd)
Jordan Battle, Alabama (3rd)
J.L. Skinner, Boise State (3rd)
Sydney Brown, Illinois (4th)
Ji'Ayir Brown, Penn State (6th)
Trey Dean III, Florida (6th)
Tykee Smith, Georgia (7th)
Beejay Williamson, Louisiana Tech (UDFA)
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duncan_idaho 12:25 PM 11-23-2022
Originally Posted by O.city:
So I have a theory on these kinds of things and what you rather "not have" in a prospect there.

Can you develop bend? Is that one of those innate things like accuracy for a qb that you can tweak and improve somehwat, but it's more of a "you have or you don't" things?

I think speed to power and strength is something you can add to a rusher. I'm not sure you can really improve bend.
I'd think it's more of a natural trait than something you can really coach up. You can improve it a bit through technique, but the natural ability level is important.

All the reports I've seen on him are that he CAN bend and that he has speed to burn.
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O.city 12:52 PM 11-23-2022
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
I'd think it's more of a natural trait than something you can really coach up. You can improve it a bit through technique, but the natural ability level is important.

All the reports I've seen on him are that he CAN bend and that he has speed to burn.
Yeah, especially with the realization that anyone you take there is gonna have some holes in their game otherwise you woudln't be getting them there.
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Nightfyre 02:36 PM 11-23-2022
Originally Posted by JPH83:
Yep think he's going to be taken between our first and second picks, but if he made it to the 2nd I wouldn't hate that pick there. Maybe a bit rich for a DT but a run stuffer with plus-level pass-rush and room to grow would go a loooong way to improving the DL.
https://mobile.twitter.com/dpbrugler...34374096424962

I will just drop this here. I think Ika would be a legitimate pick at the end of the first round. Crazy nimble and explosive, 6'4" 350? He will demand doubles, and interior pass rush will amplify the performance of GK and whatever gem we find in the draft this year to replace clark
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duncan_idaho 07:08 PM 11-23-2022
Originally Posted by Nightfyre:
https://mobile.twitter.com/dpbrugler...34374096424962

I will just drop this here. I think Ika would be a legitimate pick at the end of the first round. Crazy nimble and explosive, 6'4" 350? He will demand doubles, and interior pass rush will amplify the performance of GK and whatever gem we find in the draft this year to replace clark
I'm down with something like that. That's why I'm really interested in adding Da'Ron Payne in the middle if he hits FA.
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kccrow 10:52 AM 11-24-2022
Here's some guys I like man... not going to give big scouting reports on them though right now. It'll grow, I'll move guys up and down.

QB Clayton Tune, Houston (6'3" 220) - 5th
QB Dorian Thompson-Robinson, UCLA (6'1" 205) - 6th
QB Aidan O'Connell, Purdue (6'3" 210) - 7th
QB Tim DeMorat, Fordham (6'4" 220) - UDFA
QB Max Duggan, TCU (6'2" 210) - UDFA
QB Tanner Mordecai, SMU (6'2" 211) - UDFA
QB Devin Leary, NC State (6'1" 212) - UDFA
QB Sam Hartman, Wake Forest (6'1" 210) - UDFA

RB/WR Jahmyr Gibbs, Alabama (5'9" 199) - 1st
RB Zach Charbonnet, UCLA (6'1" 220) - 3rd
RB Israel Abanikanda, Pittsburgh (5'10" 215) - 3rd
RB Tyjae Spears, Tulane (5'10" 200) - 3rd
RB Sean Tucker, Syracuse (5'10" 209) - 4th
RB Tank Bigsby, Auburn (6'0" 208) - 4th
RB Chase Brown, Illinois (5'10" 205) - 4th
RB Kenny McIntosh, Georgia (6'0" 210) - 5th
RB Kendre Miller, TCU (6'0" 220) - 5th
RB DeWayne McBride, UAB (5'11" 215) - 5th
RB Roschon Johnson, Texas (6'2" 222) - 5th
RB Eric Gray, Oklahoma (5'10" 210) - 6th
RB Mohamed Ibrahim, Minnesota (5'11" 215) - 6th
RB Evan Hull, Northwestern (5'11" 210) - 6th
RB Khalan Laborn, Marshall (5'11" 215) - 6th (FSU dismissal vetting req'd)
RB Deuce Vaughn, Kansas State (5'6" 180) - 7th
RB Deneric Prince, Tulsa (6'0" 216) - 7th

OT Paris Johnson, Ohio State (6'6" 315) - 1st
OT Peter Skoronski, Northwestern (6'4" 300) - 1st
OT Broderick Jones, Georgia (6'4" 315) - 1st
OT Anton Harrison, Oklahoma (6'5" 309) - 1st
OT Darnell Wright, Tennessee (6'6" 335) - 1st
OT Matthew Bergeron, Syracuse (6'5" 322) - 2nd
OT Tyler Steen, Alabama (6'5" 325) - 2nd
OT Wanya Morris, Oklahoma (6'6" 308) - 2nd
OT Blake Freeland, BYU (6'7" 310) - 3rd
OT Jaelyn Duncan, Maryland (6'5" 320) - 3rd
OT Warren McClendon, Georgia (6'5" 300) - 4th
OT Luke Haggard, Indiana (6'6" 305) - 5th
OT Connor Galvin, Baylor (6'7" 305) - 5th
OT Isaac Moore, Temple (6'6" 305) - 6th
OT Ryan Hayes, Michigan (6'6" 307) - 6th
OT Carter Warren, Pittsburgh (6'5" 315) - 6th

OC Jarrett Patterson, Notre Dame (6'4" 310) - 2nd
OG Nick Broeker, Ole Miss (6'5" 305) - 3rd
OG Braeden Daniels, Utah (6'4" 300) - 4th
OG Caleb Chandler, Louisville (6'5" 300) - 5th
OG Cody Mauch, North Dakota State (6'5" 305) - 4th
OG Dylan Wonnum, South Carolina (6'4" 323) - 5th

WR Quentin Johnston, TCU (6'4" 215) - 1st
WR Jalin Hyatt, Tennessee (6'0" 185) - 1st
WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Ohio State (6'1" 198) - 1st
WR Zay Flowers, Boston College (5'10" 185) - 2nd
WR Cedric Tillman, Tennessee (6'2" 215) - 2nd
WR Josh Downs, North Carolina (5'10" 171) - 2nd
WR Rashee Rice, SMU (6'0" 205) - 2nd
WR A.T. Perry, Wake Forest (6'4" 205) - 2nd
WR Tyler Scott, Cincinnati (5'10" 177) - 3rd
WR Xavier Hutchinson, Iowa State (6'3" 210) - 3rd
WR Trey Palmer, Nebraska (6'1" 190) - 3rd
WR Marvin Mims, North Carolina (5'10" 175) - 3rd
WR Jonathan Mingo, Ole Miss (6'2" 225) - 3rd
WR Xavier Smith, FAU (5'10" 170) - 4th
WR Jayden Reed, Michigan State (6'0" 185) - 4th
WR Ronnie Bell, Michigan (6'0" 190) - 5th
WR Jermaine Burton, Alabama (6'0" 200) - 5th
WR Jesse Matthews, San Diego State (6'0" 190) - 6th
WR Rakim Jarrett, Maryland (6'0" 190) - 7th
WR Demario Douglas, Liberty (5'8" 170) - 7th
WR Keylon Stokes, Tulsa (5'10" 188) - 7th
WR Nikko Remigio, Fresno State (5'10" 185) - UDFA
WR Josh Vann, South Carolina (5'11" 190) - UDFA

TE Payne Durham, Purdue (6'5" 255) - 3rd
TE Josh Whyle, Cincinnati (6'6" 245) - 3rd
TE Tucker Kraft, South Dakota State (6'5" 255) - 3rd
TE Luke Schoonmaker, Michigan (6'6" 250) -4th
TE Cameron Latu, Alabama (6'5" 250) - 4th
TE Davis Allen, Clemson (6'6" 250) - 5th
TE Will Mallory, Miami (6'5" 245) - 5th
TE Ben Sims, Baylor (6'4" 256) - 5th
TE Austin Stogner, South Carolina (6'6" 262) - 6th

DT Siaki Ika, Baylor (6'3" 350) - 2nd
DT Mazi Smith, Michigan (6'2" 337) - 2nd
DT Gervon Dexter, Florida (6'5" 315) - 2nd
DT Keeanu Benton, Wisconsin (6'4" 317) - 2nd
DT Zacch Pickens, South Carolina (6'3" 305) - 3rd
DT Jaquelin Roy, LSU (6'4" 295) - 3rd
DT Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh (6'0" 280) - 3rd
DT Byron Young, Alabama (6'3" 297) - 4th
DT D.J. Dale, Alabama (6'3" 300) - 4th
DT Kobie Turner, Wake Forest (6'3" 290) - 4th
DT Dante Stills, West Virginia (6'2" 289) - 4th
DT Moro Ojomo (6'2" 284) - 5th
DT Tyler Lacy, Oklahoma State (6'3" 295) - 5th
DT Brodric Martin, Western Kentucky - 6th
DT Jonah Tavai, San Diego State (6'0" 295) - 7th

ER Isaiah Foskey, Notre Dame (6'4" 260) - 1st
ER Lucas VanNess, Iowa (6'5" 270) - 1st
ER Derick Hall, Auburn (6'3" 256) - 2nd
ER Keion White, Georgia Tech (6'5" 280) - 2nd
ER B.J. Ojulari, LSU (6'3" 244) - 2nd
ER Will McDonald IV, Iowa State (6'3" 250) - 2nd
ER Felix Anudike-Uzomah (6'3" 255) - 2nd
ER Tuli Tuipulotu, USC (6'4" 290) - 2nd
ER Dylan Horton, TCU (6'4" 270) - 3rd
ER Andre Carter II, Army (6'6" 250) - 3rd
ER Isaiah McGuire, Missouri (6'4" 267) - 3rd
ER Thomas Incoom, Central Michigan (6'4" 260) - 4th
ER Eku Leota, Auburn (6'4" 256) - 4th
ER Tyrus Wheat, Mississippi State (6'2" 265) - 4th
ER Viliami "Junior" Fohoko, Jr., San Jose State (6'4" 263) - 5th
ER Habakkuk Baldonado, Pitt (6'5" 255) - 6th
ER Jamal Hines, Toledo (6'3" 260) - 7th

LB Nick Herbig, Wisconsin (6'2" 227) - 2nd
LB Owen Pappoe, Auburn (6'1" 226) - 2nd
LB DeMarvion Overshown, Texas (6'4" 225) - 3rd
LB Dorian Williams, Tulane (6'1" 220) - 4th
LB Ivan Pace, Jr., Cincinnati (6'0" 235) - 4th
LB James Patterson, Buffalo (6'0" 232) - 5th
LB Shaka Heyward, Duke (6'4" 220) - 5th
LB Isaiah Moore, NC State (6'1" 232) - 6th
LB Amari Gainer, Florida State (6'3" 237) - 5th (pass rush type)
LB Jacob Dobbs, Holy Cross (6'0" 231) - 7th

CB Kalee Ringo, Georgia (6'2" 199) - 1st
CB Garrett Williams, Syracuse (5'10" 190) - 3rd
CB Riley Moss, Iowa (6'1" 195) - 3rd
CB Rejzohn Wright, Oregon State (6'2" 200) - 5th
CB Darrell Luter, Jr., South Alabama (6'0" 190) - 6th
CB Nic Jones, Ball State (6'0" 190) - 7th

DB Ji'Ayir Brown, Penn State (5'11" 208) - 2nd
DB Ronnie Hickman, Ohio State (6'1" 207) - 3rd
DB Jartavius Martin, Illinois (5'11" 194) - 3rd/High 4th
DB Kaevon Merriweather, Iowa (6'0" 212) - 4th
DB Avery Young, Rutgers (6'0" 205) - 5th
DB Christopher Smith, Georgia (5'11" 190) - 4th
DB Bee Jay Williamson, Louisiana Tech (5'11" 190) - 6th
DB Trey Dean, Florida (6'2" 207) - 6th
DB Brandon Hill, Pittsburgh (5'11" 195) - 6th
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JohnnyHammersticks 07:50 PM 11-24-2022
Dalton Kincaid is the best college TE in the country. He's got perennial all-pro written all over him. That being said, we're too stacked at that position to use the high pick it's going to take to get him.
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Direckshun 02:32 AM 11-29-2022
OT Broderick Jones, Georgia

The more film you see on Jones, and the more you read on him, the less likely it is that he will remain on the board by the time the Chiefs select. There is an athletic profile that the NFL craves in its tackles, and Jones is the epitome of that skillset. He is athletic in ways that are just unfair; he has fantastic length, great size, moves easy, with a kickslide that can set him deep or shallow if need be, and everything you need for a nimble, dancing bear in pass protection to someone who can drop plow and stone a bullrush.

It's easy to forget, though, that Jones "only" has a little under two years starting experience, his technique is all over the place, in both the pass and the run game. So the question is, how fast do you think he can learn on the job, and that's something teams will have to figure out in interviews.

I think we all broadly agree that the most sensible policy at left tackle in 2023 is to tag Orlando Brown, draft a stud tackle high, and have them learn on the job at right tackle before taking over left tackle in 2024. Jones will be able to physically do everything the Chiefs ask of him if he lasts long enough to get draft, but the question is how much do you trust Andy Heck to mold a left tackle out of him by 2024. I'd put the odds at very high.
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Direckshun 02:42 AM 11-29-2022
DE Felix Anudike-Uzomah, Kansas State

One of the players this forum should watch closely throughout the draft process as a second day prospect is Anudike-Uzomah. How does he do in interviews, how does he look in drills, what do the rumor mills say about team research into his character and work ethic.

This forum in particular has argued that the Chiefs should hunt for speedy, situational passrush demons on the 2nd day of the draft, and Anudike-Uzomah fits that bill. Given that he's 6'3" 255 lbs, he is not a "traditional" Spags DE and is probably best suited as a 3-4 rushbacker, but the Chiefs have shown proclivities to look at rushers his size if everything else about him checks out, which is why they were so intrigued by Mike Danna. He has great explosion, and can destroy the edge, turning on a dime and attacking the pocket around tackles -- when his technique is on.

And that's the kicker. Anudike-Uzomah is more athletic and explosive than Danna, but he's nowhere near as sound technically. He is extremely raw, especially in the run game where he just seems completely lost. His ability to contribute in his first year will be only in obvious passing situations. But he has Elvis Dumervil upside to me, if you're patient enough to teach him the position. I'd consider spending a 3rd on that.

Edit (1/3): I've been watching the TCU games the last couple weeks they played and I'm upping FAU to a 2nd.
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Urc Burry 09:28 AM 11-29-2022
This might sound crazy. And I’m not sure it isn’t. But man, TE Darnell Washington has me intrigued. Especially since he’s trending towards being a first rounder. But 6’7 270. And is a FREAK. An absolute eraser as a blocker, and has unlimited potential as a receiver. Andy has obviously been infatuated with multiple tight end sets the last couple years. Plus Kelce isn’t getting any younger.

Still would rather go DT or another edge. But I honestly think I might go Washington over WR
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JPH83 04:27 PM 11-29-2022
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
DE Felix Anudike-Uzomah, Kansas State

One of the players this forum should watch closely throughout the draft process as a second day prospect is Anudike-Uzomah. How does he do in interviews, how does he look in drills, what do the rumor mills say about team research into his character and work ethic.

This forum in particular has argued that the Chiefs should hunt for speedy, situational passrush demons on the 2nd day of the draft, and Anudike-Uzomah fits that bill. Given that he's 6'3" 255 lbs, he is not a "traditional" Spags DE and is probably best suited as a 3-4 rushbacker, but the Chiefs have shown proclivities to look at rushers his size if everything else about him checks out, which is why they were so intrigued by Mike Danna. He has great explosion, and can destroy the edge, turning on a dime and attacking the pocket around tackles -- when his technique is on.

And that's the kicker. Anudike-Uzomah is more athletic and explosive than Danna, but he's nowhere near as sound technically. He is extremely raw, especially in the run game where he just seems completely lost. His ability to contribute in his first year will be only in obvious passing situations. But he has Elvis Dumervil upside to me, if you're patient enough to teach him the position. I'd consider spending a 3rd on that.
I don't think there's a snowball in hell's chance he's there at the back of the 3rd, but I would be ecstatic if he was.
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kccrow 05:05 PM 11-29-2022
Originally Posted by JPH83:
I don't think there's a snowball in hell's chance he's there at the back of the 3rd, but I would be ecstatic if he was.
Agree with this. Guys that get double-digit sacks in Power5 conferences tend to be gone by then.

Bottom of the 2nd may be doubtful for him being there, much less bottom of 3.

A bit similar to Drake Jackson but a bit more productive. I don't know, but I'm guessing he's going to end up a top-50 guy.
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Direckshun 10:39 AM 11-30-2022
Originally Posted by JPH83:
I don't think there's a snowball in hell's chance he's there at the back of the 3rd, but I would be ecstatic if he was.
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Agree with this. Guys that get double-digit sacks in Power5 conferences tend to be gone by then.

Bottom of the 2nd may be doubtful for him being there, much less bottom of 3.

A bit similar to Drake Jackson but a bit more productive. I don't know, but I'm guessing he's going to end up a top-50 guy.
I would agree he is likely going before we draft him, but I don't think the Chiefs should burn a pick higher than a 3rd on a guy who (a.) doesn't fit our system, and (b.) is way behind in technique.

That being said, I'm not in the interview rooms, and I'm not testing these guys behind the scenes. If he shows out there, who knows.
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JPH83 11:01 AM 12-01-2022
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
I would agree he is likely going before we draft him, but I don't think the Chiefs should burn a pick higher than a 3rd on a guy who (a.) doesn't fit our system, and (b.) is way behind in technique.

That being said, I'm not in the interview rooms, and I'm not testing these guys behind the scenes. If he shows out there, who knows.
End of the 2nd I think he'd be good value. He'd immediately provide juice as a situational rusher. The rest would take more time but the potential is there. But agree with kccrow he's probably gone before then as well.
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Dull Tools 05:07 AM 12-02-2022
Just seen Dane Brugler's first mock draft. Interesting where he has people going as they are much higher up than a lot of the big boards I have seen going round.
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Direckshun 10:48 AM 12-02-2022
DT Bryan Bresee, Clemson

Bresee makes sense for the Chiefs under exactly one circumstance: if the Chiefs foresee being unable to retain Chris Jones. I think this is unlikely, but it's very on brand for the Chiefs to use draft picks to prepare for future departures.

Bresee is a very active, one-gap shooting tackle who explodes out of his stance to menace backfields. He gives up some size to Jones (6'5", 300 lbs to Jones' 320) but he somehow has room on his frame to bulk up. He was the #1 recruit in the nation, and was largely thought to eventually end up as a Top 10 pick in 2023 -- until disaster struck and he tore his ACL.

ACL's are not the death sentence that they once were, and his tape in 2022 has been very strong, though not the elite wrecking ball stuff we saw before his injury. The Combine and medicals will go a long way to determining if he's still Top 10 material. If he's not, the Chiefs have as good a medical staff as anyone in the league and they're uncharacteristically patient with player development. He makes some sense as a trade-up candidate or staying put at our pick in the 1st.
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