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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>Mid to late RBs targets
kcbubb 04:10 PM 03-06-2022
I’ve got one late round back that I’m intrigued with so far, Tiyon Evans. I’d love to get him in the 7th. He’s 5’9” and 225 lbs and can fly. He needs to get a little momentum to get going but he’s got a crazy 2nd gear for his size. He’s built solid, shredded with a thick lower body. He’s more of a one cut runner but he can push the pile and lower his shoulder for contact. He transferred from TN and played for Louisville.



I thought this was interesting. Tiyon had one of the worst 10 yard splits at 1.61. Jahmyr Gibbs and Bijan Robinson both had splits of 1.52 but his time from 10-40 was really good for that weight and size. Here’s a comparison for times from 10-40 and their 40 second and mph last.

Gibbs 2.84 4.36 22.8
Tiyon 2.91 4.52 21?
Bijan 2.94 4.46 21.6

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mf6uc892p7Y

#CFB's Top 5 Fastest Ball Carriers from Week 10

4️⃣ UL RB Tiyon Evans (@darealballer_15) 21.0 mph@LouisvilleFB | #GoCards pic.twitter.com/BJOIcUOtl3

— Reel Analytics (@RAanalytics) November 8, 2022


TIYON EVANS
COLLEGE Louisville

HEIGHT 5’ 9 1/2’’
WEIGHT 225 lbs
ARM 30 3/8’’
HAND 8 1/2’’

Combine Results
40-Yard Dash 4.52 Seconds
10-Yard Split 1.61 Seconds
Vertical Jump 30.5’’

2022

I like the bigger backs but these guys have some burst.

Dameon Pierce in the 4th

COLLEGE Florida

HEIGHT 5' 10"
WEIGHT 218 lbs
ARMS 30 3/4"

HANDS 9 3/8"

40 Yard Dash 4.59
Bench Press 21
Vertical Jump 34.5
Broad Jump119

Pierce play the game like a coiled spring ready to explode on each snap. He's an urgent runner with twitchy downfield burst, tackle-breaking leg drive and outstanding balance through contact. He reads and reacts to block development quickly and creates additional yardage with both power and subtle shiftiness. Pierce was highly productive (16 total touchdowns) in 2021 despite an embarrassingly low usage rate by the coaching staff. He has plenty of tread left on the tires and fits into any run-blocking scheme as a quality future starter or member of a RB tandem.

https://youtu.be/r18YtdttP2c

Brian Robinson in the 5th if we acquire one

COLLEGE Alabama

HEIGHT 6' 2"
WEIGHT 225 lbs
ARMS 31 7/8"
HANDS 9 3/4"

40 Yard Dash 4.53
Vertical Jump 30
Broad Jump 119

Robinson is an absolute physical unit with good feet and power to add yards after contact, but his running style is predictable and somewhat indecisive between the tackles. Building and maintaining momentum doesn't always come easily. He's more fight than flight, but delays in processing and a lack of second-level creativity turn him into more of a road-grader than he needs to be. He is a linear runner who is likely to be utilized as a complementary bulldozer to help wear down defenses, but Robinson might have more potential from sideline to sideline than he receives credit for.

https://youtu.be/iuHLDYw9WaY


Keaontay Ingram 6th or 7th

COLLEGE USC transfer from TX

HEIGHT 6' 0"
WEIGHT 221 lbs
ARMS 31 1/2"
HANDS 9"

40 Yard Dash 4.53
Vertical Jump 34.5
Broad Jump122

* Has the feet and feel running between the tackles and in the open field. He has very good vision and patience to pick through defenses.
* Doesn't possess elite breakaway speed, but is fast enough to gain yardage in chunks when he finds a seam.
* Difficult to bring down one-on-one in space, regularly sidesteps would-be tacklers and uses offhand to use oncoming defenders' momentum against them without slowing down significantly.
* Shows a surprising burst to beat linebackers to the edge. Can plant his foot in the ground and explode, showing better straight-line speed than expected.
* Demonstrated the ability to track the ball over his shoulder. Good flexibility and balance to adjust to the poorly thrown pass. Good vision and patience for screens.
* Possesses quick feet and straight-line speed but doesn't have the elite burst to be a constant big-play threat. Improving patience as a runner, following pulling guards and makes good decisions on his cut.
* Quick feet with good vision to pick through defenses. He has solid hands and body control and is a reliable receiver.
* Has good vision to find the hole and get North-South. Gets good initial push and always seems to be falling forward for a positive gain. A hard runner with a workhorse-type back mentality.

https://youtu.be/CCBVBnUCL2Q


Isaih Pacheco 6th or 7th

Rutgers

HEIGHT 5' 10"
WEIGHT 216 lbs
ARMS 30 1/2"
HANDS 9 1/4"

40 Yard Dash 4.37
Vertical Jump 33
Broad Jump118

Hard-charging, high-energy runner with three-down size and potential to compete for a roster spot as a late-round selection. Pacheco plays the game like a race car with no brakes. His feet never stop moving and his furious tempo creates opportunities but also limits his ability to set up defenders and force missed tackles. He processes the front fairly quickly and has the agility to re-adjust his running lanes to create something out of nothing, but he also has a tendency to bounce runs wide too frequently. Pacheco plays the game with an NFL demeanor and could give himself an even better chance of becoming an RB2/3 if he can step up his pass protection and third down value.

https://youtu.be/n1M6dhrTJd8

KEVIN HARRIS 6th or 7th
SOUTH CAROLINA
RB

HEIGHT 5' 10"
WEIGHT 221 lbs
ARMS 31 1/4"
HANDS 9 1/4"

Bench Press21
Vertical Jump38.5
Broad Jump126

Analysis

By Lance Zierlein
NFL Analyst
NFL Comparison
Carlos Hyde
Overview
Big, bruising runner with good vision and the self-awareness to understand that power running is what will butter his bread. His 2021 productivity fell off from 2020, due in part to health issues, shared carries and average South Carolina run blocking. He creates for himself with contact and tackle-breaking talent, but typically drops and finishes against an open-field tackler rather than avoiding him. He's a chain mover with excellent ball security as a battering ram inside. He will be limited as an outside runner and needs to come off the field on passing downs. Harris has talent and his impressive 2020 was no mirage. He's a good Day 3 option for teams looking to upgrade their power.

https://youtu.be/4JHFK3byucE
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Rams Fan 08:25 PM 03-24-2023
Originally Posted by kcbubb:
Who do you like? There doesn’t seem to be as many late round guys like pacheco, Pierce and Brian Robinson that can be a starter late in the draft.
Google Chris Rodriguez.
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kccrow 08:26 PM 03-24-2023
Originally Posted by kcbubb:
Who do you like? There doesn’t seem to be as many late round guys like pacheco, Pierce and Brian Robinson that can be a starter late in the draft.
I think Charbonnet and Achane go in the 2nd so I'll speak after them...

The 3rd-5th rounds are as loaded as last year IMO, and last year was pretty great. I like a ton of them.

DeWayne McBride, UAB
Tyjae Spears, Tulane
Tank Bigsby, Auburn
Israel Abanikanda, Pitt
Chase Brown, Illinois
Sean Tucker, Syracuse
Evan Hull, Northwestern
Kenny McIntosh, Georgia
Roschon Johnson, Texas
Kendre Miller, TCU
Keaton Mitchell, East Carolina (a lot like Achane)
Mohammed Ibrahim, Minnesota

Some late/UDFA guys I like are

Xazavian Valladay, Arizona State
Chris Smith, Louisiana
Khalan Laborn, Marshall
Titus Swen, Wyoming
Deneric Prince, Tulsa
Percy Agyei-Obese, James Madison
Jaleel McLaughlin, Youngstown State
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Couch-Potato 07:08 AM 03-25-2023
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I think Charbonnet and Achane go in the 2nd so I'll speak after them...

The 3rd-5th rounds are as loaded as last year IMO, and last year was pretty great. I like a ton of them.

DeWayne McBride, UAB
Tyjae Spears, Tulane
Tank Bigsby, Auburn
Israel Abanikanda, Pitt
Chase Brown, Illinois
Sean Tucker, Syracuse
Evan Hull, Northwestern
Kenny McIntosh, Georgia
Roschon Johnson, Texas
Kendre Miller, TCU
Keaton Mitchell, East Carolina (a lot like Achane)
Mohammed Ibrahim, Minnesota

Some late/UDFA guys I like are

Xazavian Valladay, Arizona State
Chris Smith, Louisiana
Khalan Laborn, Marshall
Titus Swen, Wyoming
Deneric Prince, Tulsa
Percy Agyei-Obese, James Madison
Jaleel McLaughlin, Youngstown State
I keep wondering why this guy Lew Nichols III doesn't get any love? He was the rushing leader in 2021, can catch the ball too.

In 2021 as a junior Nichols III saw action in 13 games for the Chippewas. He ran for an elite 1846 yards on 340 attempts for an impressive 5.4 ypc, with 16 TDs, with one fumble. As a receiver he made a decent 39 receptions for 320 yards.

Sounds like what we need...

-Nichols often thrived in the screen game, transitioning upfield quickly and showing a knack for following his blocks. He has the size and strength to pass
protect.

-Nichols shows exceptional toughness and good balance running between the tackles, and Nichols was excellent when it came to finishing runs.
He’s solid in blitz pickup, and he consistently showed the ability to anchor against bigger players.

-His skills as a runner translate nicely to the next level, and he could emerge as an early down back on a team that uses a zone running scheme.

-Doesn't possess elite breakaway speed, but is fast enough to gain yardage in chunks when he finds a seam.

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...entralMichigan
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kccrow 07:54 AM 03-25-2023
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
I keep wondering why this guy Lew Nichols III doesn't get any love? He was the rushing leader in 2021, can catch the ball too.

In 2021 as a junior Nichols III saw action in 13 games for the Chippewas. He ran for an elite 1846 yards on 340 attempts for an impressive 5.4 ypc, with 16 TDs, with one fumble. As a receiver he made a decent 39 receptions for 320 yards.

Sounds like what we need...

-Nichols often thrived in the screen game, transitioning upfield quickly and showing a knack for following his blocks. He has the size and strength to pass
protect.

-Nichols shows exceptional toughness and good balance running between the tackles, and Nichols was excellent when it came to finishing runs.
He’s solid in blitz pickup, and he consistently showed the ability to anchor against bigger players.

-His skills as a runner translate nicely to the next level, and he could emerge as an early down back on a team that uses a zone running scheme.

-Doesn't possess elite breakaway speed, but is fast enough to gain yardage in chunks when he finds a seam.

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...entralMichigan
He had a really poor and injury-riddled season last year. I thought he went back to school. I guess he didn't. My bad. Yeah, he was productive when he had a really good O-Line. I don't know how much I like his speed. Wish I could have caught his pro-day numbers. He looks quick to the hole but he tails off pretty bad alot of the time. Still could be a nice back. We'll see. KC had a handful of scouts at their pro day.
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kcbubb 09:39 AM 03-25-2023
I normally like bigger backs, around 220 lbs and there aren’t many big backs in this draft. Pacheco was the smallest back I liked last year at 216 lbs. Damien pierce, Brian Robinson, ingram are all heavier.
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kcbubb 09:54 AM 03-25-2023
I like Israel Abanikanda and Chase Brown from that group. If you’re small, you better be able to fly. And some of these guys don’t play as fast as they time. I actually think Gibbs plays faster than achane for example even though achane times faster. Gibbs tape is electric. Achane is also. These two are some of the fastest rb prospects we’ve seen in a while.
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kcbubb 10:05 AM 03-25-2023
Look at damion Pierce here and you can see how his size helps him. He takes a lot of contact but his balance, acceleration and he seems to always gain a few extra yards by falling forward with contact. CEH was terrible at falling forward and his size limited those extra yards. You see pacheco routinely get an extra yard or two with his leg drive and body lean that CEH doesn’t have. This draft doesn’t have many big backs like Pierce that push and have that body control. That’s why I don’t like this class as much, too little for those late round gems.

https://youtu.be/h8YFHc2FxoI
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Couch-Potato 04:23 PM 03-25-2023
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I hope to **** Veach takes Gibbs in Round 1 just so I can laugh at the horrendous takes about his skills. If Reid can turn Tyreek into an All-Pro WR, he can certainly take a more shifty player with nearly as impressive speed and that caught the ball far more than Tyreek in college and turn him into a great player.

All the moping around here about trading Tyreek last year and then we're presented with glorious options to reincarnate that skill set here and nobody wants shit to do with it. It's fascinatingly stupid.
I agree 100%. Gibbs was the very first guy I had my eye on for this year's draft and I'd be absolutely stoked if we picked him. He'd be phenomenal for the Chiefs!

HB Gibbs in the 1st
RB Pacheco
FB Luepke in the 7th
+
TE Whyle in the 4th
+
WR OBJ as FA
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Hog's Gone Fishin 10:00 PM 03-25-2023
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I hope to **** Veach takes Gibbs in Round 1 just so I can laugh at the horrendous takes about his skills. If Reid can turn Tyreek into an All-Pro WR, he can certainly take a more shifty player with nearly as impressive speed and that caught the ball far more than Tyreek in college and turn him into a great player.

All the moping around here about trading Tyreek last year and then we're presented with glorious options to reincarnate that skill set here and nobody wants shit to do with it. It's fascinatingly stupid.
All in on the Gibbs bandwagon. Putting him and Pacheco together will make our running game an absolute beast!
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Urc Burry 10:15 AM 03-26-2023
Haha I remember getting piled on a month or two ago for saying had the Clyde pick not happened, and had Pacheco not shown out then Gibbs would be such a good pick in the first. He looks so much like prime Kamara. And having control of that guy for 5-6 years wouldn’t be bad value. He’s going to be awesome
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kcbubb 01:04 PM 03-26-2023
Reuter has us getting Gibbs with our 2nd round pick! Haha…

https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-...hooker-in-roun
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kcbubb 01:19 PM 03-26-2023
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I hope to **** Veach takes Gibbs in Round 1 just so I can laugh at the horrendous takes about his skills. If Reid can turn Tyreek into an All-Pro WR, he can certainly take a more shifty player with nearly as impressive speed and that caught the ball far more than Tyreek in college and turn him into a great player.

All the moping around here about trading Tyreek last year and then we're presented with glorious options to reincarnate that skill set here and nobody wants shit to do with it. It's fascinatingly stupid.
Talking about converting Gibbs to a wr is interesting. In the Reuter mock below, Devon achane goes in the 4th. Could he be converted to a wr like tyreek?

https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-...hooker-in-roun
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Chris Meck 02:47 PM 03-26-2023
Originally Posted by kcbubb:
I normally like bigger backs, around 220 lbs and there aren’t many big backs in this draft. Pacheco was the smallest back I liked last year at 216 lbs. Damien pierce, Brian Robinson, ingram are all heavier.
Nope.

Gimme hot, nasty speed in an Andy Reid offense. Fuck all of that plodding big-back shit.
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kccrow 04:08 PM 03-26-2023
Originally Posted by kcbubb:
Talking about converting Gibbs to a wr is interesting. In the Reuter mock below, Devon achane goes in the 4th. Could he be converted to a wr like tyreek?

https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-...hooker-in-roun
I think he could be, for sure. In terms of size/speed, he's right on par with Tyreek. He just lacks that great vertical. I don't think he's going in the 4th though. I gotta think a team takes him some time on day 2. I'm leaning somewhere between 50 and 75.

I like Gibbs a bit more. He's just a bit bigger, with bigger hands but otherwise pretty similar.
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O.city 07:01 AM 03-27-2023
I'd take either of them in the 3rd obviously, would consider it in round 2
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