Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED:
You may be able to afford that, but around half the country cannot. We can’t just shut the whole country down because you’re running low on your anxiety medicine. People have been dying in large numbers from invisible viruses since the beginning of time. Welcome to the world.
every country in the world is taking this same approach. 3 BILLION people are currently in lockdown. It’s not mass hysteria.
Those who are hurting financially are getting some relief from Congress soon. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
There's going to be ~30 million unemployed people on a permanent basis in a country that cannot compete globally.
We're fucked.
Nah.
Barnes & Noble is still open for fuck's sake. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
You 2 need to get a room and get the **** out.
You can fight with math all you want. It won’t change the results.
If one of the drugs works that will be great. Otherwise you’re going to have a lot of dead people based on the rate of doubling and the rate of hospitalization/death.
This doesn’t even factor in what happens if we tap out our ventilator supply.
Yesterday the math said it would be 216 deaths. It was 206. Tomorrow the math says 341. Let’s see who’s right. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
There's going to be ~30 million unemployed people on a permanent basis in a country that cannot compete globally.
We're fucked.
How you have not jumped off a building or swallowed a bullet by now is beyond me. You are the most consistently negative person on every subject I have ever encountered. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
I agree with you that as far as limiting the damage this virus does lives wise that's definitely the right solution but like another poster said many Americans just can't afford that. They won't be able to pay their bills and could end up homeless.
It's a tough situation. Hopefully there is some type of middle ground that will work.
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
You can fight with math all you want. It won’t change the results.
If one of the drugs works that will be great. Otherwise you’re going to have a lot of dead people based on the rate of doubling and the rate of hospitalization/death.
This doesn’t even factor in what happens if we tap out our ventilator supply.
Yesterday the math said it would be 216 deaths. It was 206. Tomorrow the math says 341. Let’s see who’s right.
Math? This isn't some pre-determined formula. Your math appears to be void of some significant variables. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
I agree with you that as far as limiting the damage this virus does lives wise that's definitely the right solution but like another poster said many Americans just can't afford that. They won't be able to pay their bills and could end up homeless.
It's a tough situation. Hopefully there is some type of middle ground that will work.
They should have just shut down everything for a month. The problem is they’re allowing people to move around inside the country. If you lock it down you could probably have been more judicious with who you lock down for a longer period of time. But China showed you need two solid months to eliminate the problem and you need to restrict movement as much as possible.
Doing what we’re doing now slows the progress but it won’t stop it until we shut down (again, absent a drug therapy that works).
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
3 BILLION people are currently in lockdown. It’s not mass hysteria.
What would you call it then?
We are taking necessary actions where needed. The US has a lot of advantage in the open areas of the country that a full shut down just wouldn’t be necessary for. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
You can fight with math all you want. It won’t change the results.
If one of the drugs works that will be great. Otherwise you’re going to have a lot of dead people based on the rate of doubling and the rate of hospitalization/death.
This doesn’t even factor in what happens if we tap out our ventilator supply.
Yesterday the math said it would be 216 deaths. It was 206. Tomorrow the math says 341. Let’s see who’s right.
Actually it's 222 today not 206 and over half of them are from NY. I don't see us being at 3,800 deaths next week. Unless the vast, vast majority of those deaths are people who were already on that path. [Reply]
