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Patteeu Memorial Political Forum>All Star Game Moved: MLB Trying Its Hardest to Be More Like the NBA
T-post Tom 01:09 PM 04-02-2021
So sad.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...gia-voting-law

MLB moving All-Star Game from Atlanta over Georgia voting law

Major League Baseball is moving the 2021 All-Star Game and 2021 draft out of Atlanta in response to a new Georgia voting law that critics say unfairly limits access to the ballot box, especially for people of color.

"Over the last week, we have engaged in thoughtful conversations with Clubs, former and current players, the Players Association, and The Players Alliance, among others, to listen to their views," MLB commissioner Rob Manfred said in a statement. "I have decided that the best way to demonstrate our values as a sport is by relocating this year's All-Star Game and MLB Draft."

The decision follows calls from as the White House to consider moving the midsummer classic out of Atlanta.

In his statement, Manfred said MLB "fundamentally supports voting rights for all Americans and opposes restrictions to the ballot box." Manfred said MLB would continue to celebrate the memory of Hank Aaron, who died in January, during the All-Star festivities.

No new site for the All-Star Game or draft were announced.
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Loneiguana 08:00 AM 04-07-2021
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Don't vote then, wtf are you going on about. How is this complicated?

Let me get this straight it should be easy to vote because its a "RIGHT" but it shouldnt be easy to buy a gun even tho its a "RIGHT"

I promise you people voting habits are much more dangerous than guns....
Only an Anti-American seeks to make it harder for Americans to vote.
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Baby Lee 08:03 AM 04-07-2021
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
Now imagine those same voters have to go through a sometimes complicated ID process (I.e. Out of state college students), hauling halfway across town with no transportation, then waiting in line for over a half hour (minority communities have over a half hour wait in line vs just a few minutes for everyone else). In many cases this means unpaid work hours on an hourly salary.

Every small inconvenience increases the likelihood that someone finds the effort not worth it. The problem is when politicians game that to their advantage. Getting rid of mobile voting for example is a sure way to make voting much more inconvenient in dense areas like Fulton County. Other states have blatantly pulled polling sites away from college campuses.
If you are committed to a rhetorical position, you can rationalize any reasonable effort counter to said position into a catastrophic imposition.
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Marcellus 08:04 AM 04-07-2021
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
Now imagine those same voters have to go through a sometimes complicated ID process (I.e. Out of state college students), hauling halfway across town with no transportation, then waiting in line for over a half hour (minority communities have over a half hour wait in line vs just a few minutes for everyone else). In many cases this means unpaid work hours on an hourly salary.

Every small inconvenience increases the likelihood that someone finds the effort not worth it. The problem is when politicians game that to their advantage. Getting rid of mobile voting for example is a sure way to make voting much more inconvenient in dense areas like Fulton County. Other states have blatantly pulled polling sites away from college campuses.
Imagine thinking this is a real world large issue. :-)

Voting shouldn't be "so easy a caveman can do it" to which it really is. That's a ****ing STUPID narrative. Just like the idea we need young college students who cant figure out the means or motivation to get registered to vote to vote in mass as if thats a good idea.
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Katipan 08:08 AM 04-07-2021
At least hes honest about wanting to restrict votes.
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chiefzilla1501 08:24 AM 04-07-2021
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Don't vote then, wtf are you going on about. How is this complicated?

Let me get this straight it should be easy to vote because its a "RIGHT" but it shouldnt be easy to buy a gun even tho its a "RIGHT"

I promise you people voting habits are much more dangerous than guns....
Everyone with poor transportation options should have easy access to a polling site. No person should wait a half hour to an hour to vote. The idea that politicians should have any power whatsoever to make voting harder for specific groups of people is beyond stupid and corrupt. Can you imagine if elections were moved to August? Rural America would go ballistic as they should.
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chiefzilla1501 08:30 AM 04-07-2021
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Imagine thinking this is a real world large issue. :-)

Voting shouldn't be "so easy a caveman can do it" to which it really is. That's a ****ing STUPID narrative. Just like the idea we need young college students who cant figure out the means or motivation to get registered to vote to vote in mass as if thats a good idea.
When you make voting super easy for others and intentionally make it difficult for others, it is a deliberate play to reduce voter participation for political gain. That is wrong to shrug off that one voter has multiple avoidable obstacles to voting while another does not. As much as we can avoid it the playing fields should be level.
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Marcellus 08:35 AM 04-07-2021
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501;15617981[B:
]When you make voting super easy for others and intentionally make it difficult for others,[/B] it is a deliberate play to reduce voter participation for political gain. That is wrong to shrug off that one voter has multiple avoidable obstacles to voting while another does not. As much as we can avoid it the playing fields should be level.
But that's not what's happening here. There are no equal playing fields in life, anywhere.

The question is, is there a reasonably easy way for you to vote? The answer is yes unless you are unmotivated or stupid and you shouldn't be voting in either case anyway.

Its pretty comical how easy it is to see through this charade and see the motivation behind making voting easier than buying alcohol or getting your stimulus check.

All you have to do is ask yourself, what type of person would struggle to be able to do minimal things to vote and what type of policies would that person most likely vote for?
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HonestChieffan 08:39 AM 04-07-2021
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
When you make voting super easy for others and intentionally make it difficult for others, it is a deliberate play to reduce voter participation for political gain. That is wrong to shrug off that one voter has multiple avoidable obstacles to voting while another does not. As much as we can avoid it the playing fields should be level.

A level playing field is never level to the lazy and unmotivated. There is no reason to cater to the lazy in order to get greater participation. Get an ID and do like everyone else and go to the poll.
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dj56dt58 08:43 AM 04-07-2021
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry:
What about all the lost revenue and wages for the city of Atlanta? That's going to hurt blacks the hardest. But they are just pawns for the Libtards.
OH well, most of them voted for Biden so now they reap the rewards, including outrageous gas prices and a big tax hike coming for businesses
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Baby Lee 08:49 AM 04-07-2021
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
When you make voting super easy for others and intentionally make it difficult for others, it is a deliberate play to reduce voter participation for political gain. That is wrong to shrug off that one voter has multiple avoidable obstacles to voting while another does not. As much as we can avoid it the playing fields should be level.
You are assuming motivations convenient for your position.

There is going to be a modicum of effort, there is going to be lines in some places and not in others.

If you are going to blithely accept any anecdote of effort or wait as purposeful result of malign intent, you're just going to perpetuate agitation over an inherent part of civic participation. There will always be something to gripe about, if griping is in one's strategic interest.
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Loneiguana 09:10 AM 04-07-2021
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
You are assuming motivations convenient for your position.

There is going to be a modicum of effort, there is going to be lines in some places and not in others.

If you are going to blithely accept any anecdote of effort or wait as purposeful result of malign intent, you're just going to perpetuate agitation over an inherent part of civic participation. There will always be something to gripe about, if griping is in one's strategic interest.
Its great that we have 20 years of data on voter ID (wasn't a thing until 2000) , yet the mouth breathers willfully ignore all of it just to scream "anecdote".

The projection is just insane. I mean, 20 years now and voter ID proponents still cannot justify the laws based on proven examples of in person voter fraud. But yet, they scream the other side is using anecdotes.

Meanwhile, people against voter ID don't need to use emotionally charged language or negative victim blaming (its their fault, just unmotivated!!!). We can just point to the data that shows these laws reduce turnout. (And the fact these laws are in response to republicans losing elections and nothing else)

Originally Posted by :
*Voter ID Laws Deprive Many Americans of the Right to Vote
Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens or more than 21 million Americans do not have government-issued photo identification.1
*Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID.
*Underlying documents required to obtain ID cost money, a significant expense for lower-income Americans. The combined cost of document fees, travel expenses and waiting time are estimated to range from $75 to $175.2
*The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.3
*Voter ID Laws Reduce Voter Turnout. A 2014 GAO study found that strict photo ID laws reduce turnout by 2-3 percentage points,4 which can translate into tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.5
Let's see. 20 years of data showing a decrease turnout and why. 20 years and still no actual justification for why these laws are needed, except for republicans losing elections. Yup. Easy to see the entire point of these laws is to reduce turnout and help republicans win.
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ChiefsCountry 09:33 AM 04-07-2021
Slow Joe is backtracking now

So now Joe Biden doesn’t even agree with moving the all star game out of Atlanta. This blowback has been swift and severe. Rob Manfred is now alone on his own island of stupidity. https://t.co/QFyFUCg8aK

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) April 7, 2021

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chiefzilla1501 10:00 AM 04-07-2021
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
You are assuming motivations convenient for your position.

There is going to be a modicum of effort, there is going to be lines in some places and not in others.

If you are going to blithely accept any anecdote of effort or wait as purposeful result of malign intent, you're just going to perpetuate agitation over an inherent part of civic participation. There will always be something to gripe about, if griping is in one's strategic interest.
They pulled mobile voting which is a huge hit to dense areas like Fulton County. That is deliberate.

They changed early voting rules which basically expands early voting for rural and reduces early voting for areas like Fulton County which were already using it. That is deliberate.

The major restrictions on absentee voting and dropboxes will undoubtedly add lines. And that will be felt the most without a doubt in dense areas. While i get this part it also comes with an absurdly limited voting window and restricted provisional ballot process. That is deliberate.

And it is not anecdotal, it is statement of fact that minority communities wait an average of over a half hour to vote vs non white communities which average just a few minutes.
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Shields68 10:20 AM 04-07-2021
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
They pulled mobile voting which is a huge hit to dense areas like Fulton County. That is deliberate.

They changed early voting rules which basically expands early voting for rural and reduces early voting for areas like Fulton County which were already using it. That is deliberate.

The major restrictions on absentee voting and dropboxes will undoubtedly add lines. And that will be felt the most without a doubt in dense areas. While i get this part it also comes with an absurdly limited voting window and restricted provisional ballot process. That is deliberate.

And it is not anecdotal, it is statement of fact that minority communities wait an average of over a half hour to vote vs non white communities which average just a few minutes.
So how does it expand early voting for one and reduce it for the other? seems requiring every county to have the same rules would be a good thing and would think the constitution would require it.

Further the new law mandates more early voting days before the general election then what was previous.

Seems like the rules should be the same for everyone. I do not see how they expanded
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chiefzilla1501 10:20 AM 04-07-2021
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
But that's not what's happening here. There are no equal playing fields in life, anywhere.

The question is, is there a reasonably easy way for you to vote? The answer is yes unless you are unmotivated or stupid and you shouldn't be voting in either case anyway.

Its pretty comical how easy it is to see through this charade and see the motivation behind making voting easier than buying alcohol or getting your stimulus check.

All you have to do is ask yourself, what type of person would struggle to be able to do minimal things to vote and what type of policies would that person most likely vote for?
Voting is not reasonably easy if you don't have transportation and have to drive halfway across town to your polling site because the state deliberately closed down polling locations. It is not easy when you have to spend a half hour in line because the govt deliberately closed down polling locations. It is not reasonably easy for the working poor who can take minutes of their day but literally can't afford hours of their day to get a vote in.

If you put your best effort in to make voting accessible to all people then fine, make that argument. But using it as an excuse to deliberately make voting inaccessible is wrong.
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