The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.
1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.
2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.
3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.
4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.
5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.
6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 35 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.
6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.
7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.
Original post: You can ignore this now.
Spoiler!
Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.
The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.
Here's how the game will work.
Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)
Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.
Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".
Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.
Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.
Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs
If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.
There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.
I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.
So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.
Teams As Of Post #113:
Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)
Added Rules and Reminders:
1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.
2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.
3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 35 percent.
For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 850 points. The 10th pick is normally 1,300 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*1,300, or 1,495 points.
For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 850 points, but in this game it will be worth 553 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 480 points, so you can get 73 points back from the other team.
You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 73 points in the above example from a third team.) [Reply]
For this game, the value of securing a high probability hit (day 1 starter with heavy utilization) at any position is worth it IMO. The fact that I genuinely think Hall is destined to be a top 5 back for atleast a 5 year stretch is just added value.
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I'll be most interested to see how both of you taking Dean works out. I would have gone for Muma there myself so maybe we can compare apples in a couple of years.
I like your picks of Bryant and Calcaterra Rainman. Both could be sneaky good values. I was really high on Bryant pre-draft and strongly considered going with the same two players in the 3rd as you did, but I just couldn't get over my thing for Otton.
I like your pick of Johnson in the 4th kellerfox. You'll never find me a fan of going RB in round 1, no matter how much I might like one. That said, if I were ever to do it it would be for a guy like Hall who looks to be a complete package of size, speed, and ability. Don't know if I could have pulled that trigger, but I get it.
I was back and forth between Dean and Muma. I'm so bad at drafting linebackers that I probably should have gone with Muma as the safer pick, but here I am.
The more I read about Bryant, the more I liked him, and he was helped by the fact that I wasn't enthralled with any of the other prospects in his draft slot. I pretty much had him locked in with that pick.
Calcaterra was available pretty late for my thinking, and I've been very thin at TE for a couple of years. Hopefully he can develop and be a #2 for me behind Kelce.
And it's interesting that kellerfox is rolling the dice on Carson Strong, too. I was reading that his knee is terrible, but if not for that he would have been a high-round prospect. I'll risk a seventh-round pick on modern medicine there. I was surprised that Verone McKinley and Aaron Hansford both went undrafted and wanted to pick those guys up with my last pick, but I decided to go with Strong. I can afford to sit him for a few years while Russell Wilson starts. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I'm very high on it. My only quarrel, and it's quite small, is the trade-up for McDuffie. I love McDuffie, don't get me wrong, but with Elam, Gordon, and Booth sitting there as well I think I would have taken what fell to me and retained those picks if my thought was that a DE was actually going to fall to me at 30.
That 3rd, as we saw, would have snagged one of the top TEs in this draft and I really think it was a mistake not to get a value at that point from this class. The Chiefs are not at all strong behind Kelce.
That trade also cost a 4th that would have put the Chiefs in a prime position to take a good RB.
It's all hindsight though, and I think Veach did well. Karlaftis, Chenal, and Kinnard were pretty awesome values IMO and I'm quite high on McDuffie, Moore and Johnson to boot.
I'll be interested to see how you fare with Raimann (who I keep reading as Rain Man) and Gunter. I was interested in both of those guys and was a coin flip on Pacheco versus Gunter with my seventh rounder. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I'll be interested to see how you fare with Raimann (who I keep reading as Rain Man) and Gunter. I was interested in both of those guys and was a coin flip on Pacheco versus Gunter with my seventh rounder.
I'm equally curious.
I very much contemplated the trade up for Penning to lock in my LT with a guy I think will be a stud, but it would have been incredibly expensive (1-30, 2-62, 3-94, 7-251, 7-259 to get to 19) and limited my ability to do much of anything else of note. I would have been left with 3-103, 4-135, 5-173, 7-233, and 7-243.
I likely would have went:
1-19 LT T. Penning
3-103 LB L. Chenal
4-135 DE M. Clemons
5-173 DE K. Engabare
7-233 OL R. Walker
7-243 RB I. Pacheco
The double-dip at edge in the mid-rounds would be an effort to hedge my bets with slightly better-qualified talent since I'd be missing out on so much early-round talent.
In the end, I decided to just hope Raimann turns into a good player. I have many more concerns than I do with Penning but at least I'm filling in more of my roster with players I think will be really good (Karlaftis, Otton, and Allgeier specifically). It's very hard to go for broke and leave all that on the table. I banking on a higher upside with Raimann over Petit-Frere there too, which may or may not end up a mistake. Raimann has the age concern but any team would be foolish to plan past 5 years anyhow.
If next year I'm left in a similar situation then I may just have to bite down hard and take it.
Gunter, well he's a big shot in the dark on athletic traits. I'm not sure he makes it on the 53 but he may surrpise. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
And here come my picks:
#2-58 - WR Andy Isabella (Cardinals) - I desperately need receivers. I was torn between Isabella and Metcalf, but I like Isabella's speed. I also considered not trading down and taking one of the top cornerbacks of Byron Murphy, Greedy Williams, or Deandre Baker. But I don't need cornerbacks. I would have been interested in Mecole Hardman, but didn't want to trade up to get him.
#2-61 - OLB Jaylon Ferguson (Ravens). I've been enamored with Ferguson, and my team is abysmal at rushing the passer. I also strongly considered Zach Allen, who would probably be a safer pick, but I like Ferguson as a rusher. I idly considered OLB Germaine Pratt and DE Chase Winovich, but liked Ferguson's upside more. I also considered taking Metcalf here and loading up at WR, but couldn't afford that luxury given my pass rush woes.
#3-92 - DE Anthony Nelson (Buccaneers). This was a hard pick. I considered G Dru Samia hard, with the goal of taking Joe Jackson later to fill my DE spot, but this way I can get Michael Jordan in that other spot. I hope that the Nelson/Jordan combo ends up better than the Samia/Jackson combo. I also considered T Bobby Evans, but need tackle less than other positions.
#4-128 - QB Easton Stick (Chargers). I need a backup quarterback, and Stick seems a good value in that regard. He's a stopgap who would only see action if Russell Wilson on my team goes down, but I think he's got development potential. I strongly considered Jarrett Stidham and Gardner Minshew, both of whom are probably safer picks, but I like Stick. I strongly considered Joe Jackson at DE in this spot, who I like a lot, and pondered Mack Wilson. I'd like Wilson, but need to fill other holes.
#4-136 - G Michael Jordan (Bengals). I've had trouble staffing my guard spots, and figure he's got a decent shot of grabbing a starting job. As noted above, my key question was whether to take Jordan here or take Samia earlier. I thought Jordan seemed like a better risk/reward prospect.
#5-167 - OLB Sutton Smith (Steelers). I've been intrigued by Smith and was heavily targeting him. I didn't really consider anyone else in this slot, though I liked LB David Long as well.
#6-201 - WR Kelvin Harmon (Redskins). I need WR depth, and he seemed like a great value here. I didn't really consider anyone else in this slot.
#6-214 - TE Isaac Nauta (Lions). I need TE depth, and he seemed like a good value. I was very torn between him and CB Kris Boyd, but eventually figured I had a better roster spot available for Nauta. I also briefly considered DE Jalen Jelks.
#7-243 - TE Caleb Wilson (Cardinals). I strongly considered DE Michael Dogbe and perhaps DE Jordan Brailford, but figured I'd stock up on my TE position.
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
My 2019 draft has underachieved so far.
Not one to write home about bud.
Mine was pretty good overall. In the end, I have 4 starters from that class:
2019 Draft
Round 1, Selection 29 | Byron Murphy, CB, Washington (#2-33 ARZ)
Top-end nickel but struggles at times on the outside. Round 2, Selection 48 (f/MIA) | Erik McCoy, OC, Texas A&M (#2-48 NO)
Pretty much as good as it gets at the center spot. Round 3, Selection 92 | Oshane Ximines, ER, Old Dominion (#3-95 NYG)
Has never really developed. I had high hopes for him. Round 4, Selection 116 (f/MIA) | Amani Hooker, DB, Iowa (#4-116 TEN)
Has steadily grown and became the starter at SS last year after 5 games (broken foot) and was solid. Round 5, Selection 167 | Cole Holcomb, LB, North Carolina (#5-173 WAS)
Has been a starter since his rookie year and a damned good one at that. Moving inside to MLB this year so we'll see what happens with that. Round 6, Selection 201 | Derwin Gray, OT, Maryland (#7-219 PIT)
Misfire. Round 6, Selection 214 (Comp) | Alize Mack, TE, Notre Dame (#7-231 NO)
Misfire. Round 7, Selection 243 | Olabisi Johnson, WR, Colorado State (#7-247 MIN)
Has maintained a spot on the roster and even started a few games but missed all of last season with an ACL tear. [Reply]
