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Saulbadguy 07:57 AM 09-12-2011
The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.
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Hoover 01:51 PM 08-25-2022
The ACC isn't going to live the length of its TV contract. It all blows up when ESPN wants Clemson to join the SEC.

I do think Oregon, Washington, and Stanford all join the Big Ten, not sure about Cal.

The big remaining domino is the ACC. Once it gets opened up look out. Florida doesn't want Florida State in the SEC, they probably feel the same way about Miami. I think the SEC takes one of them, lets say Miami. I think the Big Ten would love to take on a Florida State, which would really embrace their national footprint.

Notre Dame is interesting. I think they could become truly independent, but it would be the death of their program. I can's see the Big Ten allowing them to schedule 4-5 games a year vs Big Ten schools when you have 20 plus teams to schedule.

ACC survives like the Big 12.
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MarkDavis'Haircut 02:01 PM 08-25-2022
Originally Posted by Hoover:
The ACC isn't going to live the length of its TV contract. It all blows up when ESPN wants Clemson to join the SEC.

I do think Oregon, Washington, and Stanford all join the Big Ten, not sure about Cal.

The big remaining domino is the ACC. Once it gets opened up look out. Florida doesn't want Florida State in the SEC, they probably feel the same way about Miami. I think the SEC takes one of them, lets say Miami. I think the Big Ten would love to take on a Florida State, which would really embrace their national footprint.

Notre Dame is interesting. I think they could become truly independent, but it would be the death of their program. I can's see the Big Ten allowing them to schedule 4-5 games a year vs Big Ten schools when you have 20 plus teams to schedule.

ACC survives like the Big 12.
In the upcoming P2, being independent is a death sentence of irrelevance.
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KChiefs1 03:07 PM 09-08-2022
Canzano: Big 12 commissioner speaks out
Spoiler!



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RustShack 05:55 PM 09-08-2022
It’ll be interesting when the Big12 gets numbers, and if Fox is actually as interested as it sounds. Fox wasn’t even interested in giving the PAC a lowball offer like ESPN did, they said they had no interest in giving them an offer. ESPN will also be interested in overpaying for the Big12, in an attempt to get OuuT in 24.

It seems like the B1G isn’t done with adding from the PAC either. I’m guessing they have it on pause at the moment obviously trying to entice ND, but also so they don’t have to give the other PAC schools a full share right away like USC/UCLA is getting.

The new playoff format is fantastic, but I wonder how Notre Dame feels knowing they have a 0% chance at a first round bye as they won’t be a top four conference champion.
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BryanBusby 09:24 PM 09-08-2022
Originally Posted by Hoover:
The ACC isn't going to live the length of its TV contract. It all blows up when ESPN wants Clemson to join the SEC.

I do think Oregon, Washington, and Stanford all join the Big Ten, not sure about Cal.

The big remaining domino is the ACC. Once it gets opened up look out. Florida doesn't want Florida State in the SEC, they probably feel the same way about Miami. I think the SEC takes one of them, lets say Miami. I think the Big Ten would love to take on a Florida State, which would really embrace their national footprint.

Notre Dame is interesting. I think they could become truly independent, but it would be the death of their program. I can's see the Big Ten allowing them to schedule 4-5 games a year vs Big Ten schools when you have 20 plus teams to schedule.

ACC survives like the Big 12.
ESPN isn't touching that ACC contract. It's gonna take a handful of schools to grenade it all to end it early.
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sedated 03:18 PM 11-02-2022
Apparently Big 12 and Gonzaga are in talks

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ing-conference
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MarkDavis'Haircut 03:24 PM 11-02-2022
If the Pac 12 wasn't run by idiots, they could have Gonzaga.
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GloucesterChief 05:05 PM 11-02-2022
Originally Posted by Carr4MVP:
If the Pac 12 wasn't run by idiots, they could have Gonzaga.
Gonzaga doesn't play the full slate of sports the Pac12 requires.
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Hoover 05:53 PM 11-02-2022
Basketball just doesn’t move the needle
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RustShack 05:19 AM 11-03-2022
Originally Posted by GloucesterChief:
Gonzaga doesn't play the full slate of sports the Pac12 requires.
Same with the Big12, but apparently they are willing to change.

Basketball only is interesting, I wonder what type of a payment they would get. I’d assume it isn’t much of a bump for the rest of the schools, but obviously not taking money away either. I think it’s just an idea of getting more eyeballs on the Big12 brand.

That or just a little pressure on the PAC schools thinking about jumping.
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lawrenceRaider 08:34 AM 11-03-2022
Originally Posted by Hoover:
Basketball just doesn’t move the needle
According to whom?
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sedated 03:57 PM 11-03-2022
While I think its a dumb road to go down (ie the Big East route) until the power conferences pull away from the NCAA and can keep the tournament money, if B12 adds Gonzaga they have to add another basketball only school, right? Why not Villanova, and why weren't they ahead of Gonzaga? Nova has been some level of power since the 80s, has multiple titles, and is in Philly.
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TribalElder 04:14 PM 11-03-2022
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
According to whom?
everyone in the entire world except KU fans
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KChiefs1 05:38 PM 11-03-2022
Originally Posted by Hoover:
Basketball just doesn’t move the needle

Gonzaga even have a football team?


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KChiefs1 05:38 PM 11-03-2022
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
According to whom?

99% of college sports fans.


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