Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by LoneWolf:
The overwhelming majority of people under 65 that don’t have an underlying condition don’t need to go to the hospital for this.
That's not true at all. As has been posted in this thread and reported in the media, people between 20 and 54 (going on memory) make up a significant number of people hospitalized. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tk13:
This is not even remotely true.
It's believed the hospitalization rate for this virus is around 10%.
This was a bad flu season and the hospitalization rate for the flu was 0.00061%.
Solid post.
The mortality rate may stay “low” but many cases of this require hospitalization for full recovery. If the case number spikes and the hospitals can’t manage this treatment, more people die. Hope that isn’t your loved one who can’t receive care when the hospitals are overwhelmed. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
I don't no but I have friends who work in hospitals. They know way more than you or I and they keep me informed.
Use a little common sense. You think our politicians are closing every thing down for fun?
Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina may be doing it so he can get rich off of short sales. But I presume that there are others who are doing it for legitimate reasons.
Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina is a piece of **** and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. [Reply]
Originally Posted by LoneWolf:
This isn’t about my 401k, asshole. I’m going to be fine.
This is about those that won’t be fine and can’t afford to be out of work for any amount of time.
There's no way around this. We either pay now, or pay later. We're so stubborn though that we may end up doing both.
What's your alternative? Just let it spread and infect millions of people? It's pretty clear at this point that this thing is fairly contagious. If you let it infect 75-100 million people you're talking millions of people in the hospital. How's that going to work? That's going to ruin people's lives either way. [Reply]
Originally Posted by stumppy:
That's not true at all. As has been posted in this thread and reported in the media, people between 20 and 54 (going on memory) make up a significant number of people hospitalized.
posted the CDC report and a article hour or so ago
Originally Posted by tk13:
What's your alternative? Just let it spread and infect millions of people? It's pretty clear at this point that this thing is fairly contagious. If you let it infect 75-100 million people you're talking millions of people in the hospital. How's that going to work? That's going to ruin people's lives either way.
Herd immunity.
Allow the vast majority of the population who will have minor or no symptoms to COVID-19 to build a communal immunity to the virus through exposure and in the meantime target the social distancing to just the high risk group. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
I don't no but I have friends who work in hospitals. They know way more than you or I and they keep me informed.
Use a little common sense. You think our politicians are closing every thing down for fun?
No kidding they know more than us. I never said they were shutting things down for fun. I haven’t been able to keep up with this thread that well. Been busy lining up a funeral for a friend of mine who killed himself.
So I figured if you had numbers to go with what you said, I would like to see them. So I can start getting caught up with everyone else.
So get fucked, for your common sense comment. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
All these celebrities and nba guys testing positive with no symptoms
I think this shit is everywhere and the majority is asymptomatic which is good
Here is what I don't understand, I know for a fact in Missouri you won't get tested unless you are not only showing symptoms but have been potentially exposed to another person who is a positive test. We had a discussion with the Missouri health department today because we have to keep our facility up and running.
So how are all these asymptomatic people getting tested? [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
All these celebrities and nba guys testing positive with no symptoms
I think this shit is everywhere and the majority is asymptomatic which is good
I don't think it's "good" if it's everywhere because millions of at-risk people being exposed will put a major strain on our already strained healthcare system.
And not for nothing, comparing the average 65-85 year old to 20-something year old kids that are serious freaks of nature, is a poor comp. [Reply]