Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Swanman:
So many Herman Cain Awards being delivered these days and the average iq of the country is very slowly rising as a result.
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
I see we've moved on to the "we should coddle people who are making a public health emergency much worse and respect their feelings above all else" tone policing phase of the discussion.
I'll take a discussion over fear porn and wagging my finger in someone's face and playing 'holier than thou' even if it does have some opposing viewpoints.
Screw you for thinking you have the right to tell someone what they should inject in their body.
Gonna show everyone those gay reps I sent you? Lying fat man. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Otter:
I'll take a discussion over fear porn and wagging my finger in someone's face and playing 'holier than thou' even if it does have some opposing viewpoints.
Screw you for thinking you have the right to tell someone what they should inject in their body.
Gonna show everyone those gay reps I sent you? Lying fat man.
I don’t have the right to say “I think you should get the vaccine”? [Reply]
Just like people have a right what to choose what they get injected in their own body.
We're Americans with rights to our own will.
Unless those people choosing not to get the vaccine stay home and mask up when they do go out, their choices affect others. And I can GUARANTEE the unvaxxed for the most part do not stay home and do not mask up when out in public. We are past the point of having a good excuse to not get vaccinated. If you choose not to and don't have a damn good and valid reason for it, then you are an asshole.
Originally Posted by Swanman:
Unless those people choosing not to get the vaccine stay home and mask up when they do go out, their choices affect others. And I can GUARANTEE the unvaxxed for the most part do not stay home and do not mask up when out in public. We are past the point of having a good excuse to not get vaccinated. If you choose not to and don't have a damn good and valid reason for it, then you are an asshole.
Originally Posted by Swanman:
Unless those people choosing not to get the vaccine stay home and mask up when they do go out, their choices affect others. And I can GUARANTEE the unvaxxed for the most part do not stay home and do not mask up when out in public. We are past the point of having a good excuse to not get vaccinated. If you choose not to and don't have a damn good and valid reason for it, then you are an asshole.
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Yeah, IMO it's not even about the "forced" thing that doesn't really even exist when there are exceptions for most every mandate... everyone has their personal freedom to get vaccinated or not, but then at least do your part to not fuck with other people's lives. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
I see we've moved on to the "we should coddle people who are making a public health emergency much worse and respect their feelings above all else" tone policing phase of the discussion.
We coddle the fuck out of everything these days. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
So does that mean, for instance, that you think school districts should get rid of all current vaccine requirements such as for measles?
There shouldn't be any health requirements for travelers coming to the US?
This poke does not, in any way, work like that poke. They are completely different mechanisms. Those vaccines have been proven to work, and work much more effectively, than this one. This is my issue.
This poke is not a weakened virus that your body gets a free win against. It's just the attachment protein. This poke only keeps you from the worst case - it is not providing immunity. Understand that. People with this poke still spread the virus - all of them. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
We coddle the **** out of everything these days.
Yes, and some 540 lb slob who's getting ready to go on a ventilator wants to blame an unvaxxed person.
The elderly have no choice in this. Everyone gets old. Everyone does not have to be morbidly obese or horribly diabetic. Most of these compounding issues are bad life decisions that people refuse to take responsibility for.
Don't make horrible life decisions for 30 years and then act like my one health decision is what decides life or death for you. Compounding factors decide outcomes - not the virus itself. Most people get really sic and are fine... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rausch:
This poke does not, in any way, work like that poke. They are completely different mechanisms. Those vaccines have been proven to work, and work much more effectively, than this one. This is my issue.
This poke is not a weakened virus that your body gets a free win against. It's just the attachment protein. This poke only keeps you from the worst case - it is not providing immunity. Understand that. People with this poke still spread the virus - all of them.
Originally Posted by Rausch:
This poke does not, in any way, work like that poke. They are completely different mechanisms. Those vaccines have been proven to work, and work much more effectively, than this one. This is my issue.
This poke is not a weakened virus that your body gets a free win against. It's just the attachment protein. This poke only keeps you from the worst case - it is not providing immunity. Understand that. People with this poke still spread the virus - all of them.
You do realize that people with those shots still get the measles? You do realize that those vaccines are mRNA vaccines just like the Covid vaccine?
I have always had/gotten the vaccines as required. I still got the mumps. People with their false narratives are just another problem. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rausch:
This poke does not, in any way, work like that poke. They are completely different mechanisms. Those vaccines have been proven to work, and work much more effectively, than this one. This is my issue.
This poke is not a weakened virus that your body gets a free win against. It's just the attachment protein. This poke only keeps you from the worst case - it is not providing immunity. Understand that. People with this poke still spread the virus - all of them.
The original authorization was predicated on preventing severe illness but it was later discovered that there was a good amount of sterilizing immunity as well. It has decreased with delta but there is still a fair amount of immunity.
But again, people can make their "choice" to be a dipshit. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. My sympathy is a finite resource so I will reserve it for frontline workers in hospitals hammered by unvaxxed idiots and people/children that legitimately can't get the vaccines.
Originally Posted by Fish:
Come on, man. That's nonsense.
If you just ignore people who refer to the vaccine as the poke or the jab or whatever other childish term they are using these days you will be better off. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rausch:
Yes, and some 540 lb slob who's getting ready to go on a ventilator wants to blame an unvaxxed person.
The elderly have no choice in this. Everyone gets old. Everyone does not have to be morbidly obese or horribly diabetic. Most of these compounding issues are bad life decisions that people refuse to take responsibility for.
Don't make horrible life decisions for 30 years and then act like my one health decision is what decides life or death for you. Compounding factors decide outcomes - not the virus itself. Most people get really sic and are fine...
