Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Who do you want them to trade up for though?
I don't understand using picks like that when the only way to get a really top notch prospect is to give up a haul and the guys you're getting with a reasonable trade up aren't really that much better than the guys at 31.
This just isn't the right draft to trade up for a LT. Its kind of like 2013 and looking for a QB.
I think it’s a strong possibility but at the same time Duncan Idaho made a great point: Veach is about expanding on Mahomes and helping him, so I could easily see tackle or WR. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
I think it’s a strong possibility but at the same time Duncan Idaho made a great point: Veach is about expanding on Mahomes and helping him, so I could easily see tackle or WR.
But do you see him trading up in the first for a tackle?
If so, who? And why? And can you actually justify the cost? [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Who do you want them to trade up for though?
I don't understand using picks like that when the only way to get a really top notch prospect is to give up a haul and the guys you're getting with a reasonable trade up aren't really that much better than the guys at 31.
This just isn't the right draft to trade up for a LT. Its kind of like 2013 and looking for a QB.
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
But do you see him trading up in the first for a tackle?
If so, who? And why? And can you actually justify the cost?
I think they’re gonna let the chips fall as they may and trade up for someone like Jenkins if he’s in range, meaning he falls to the mid 20’s. That wouldn’t cost very much TBH. That’s assuming they want a tackle.
But I truly believe that Andy is adamant that he doesn’t want 2 rookie tackles with zero NFL snaps protecting his QB. I thinkthats why Remmers was told he would be a starter.
If Niang and Remmers are starting then we could easily hold off on OT until rd 2 and sit that player this year and groom them to take over in 2022.
It would be a nice way of building depth on the OL for this year and also building for the future [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
I think they’re gonna let the chips fall as they may and trade up for someone like Jenkins if he’s in range, meaning he falls to the mid 20’s. That wouldn’t cost very much TBH. That’s assuming they want a tackle.
But I truly believe that Andy is adamant that he doesn’t want 2 rookie tackles with zero NFL snaps protecting his QB. I thinkthats why Remmers was told he would be a starter.
If Niang and Remmers are starting then we could easily hold off on OT until rd 2 and sit that player this year and groom them to take over in 2022.
It would be a nice way of building depth on the OL for this year and also building for the future
I don't see the point in trading up for Jenkins when the guys just after him who would probably be available at 31 would cost so much less in terms of draft picks.
If Jenkins is the 4th tackle off the board at say 25 rather than 20, then Cosmi is likely there at 31. I don't see the point in throwing away draft picks like that.
EDIT: At this point, I actually HOPE the plan is to have Niang at LT and Remmers at RT. I'd MUCH rather take a developmental tackle than put a bunch of extra picks into the position. This team NEEDS cheap playmakers going forward above everything else. I get that the goal is to protect Patrick Mahomes. The best way to do that is to build a team with as few weaknesses as possible. They need not only quality starters but quality depth and they need it to be cheap. You can't build a team that way by continuously trading away draft picks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
I don't see the point in trading up for Jenkins when the guys just after him who would probably be available at 31 would cost so much less in terms of draft picks.
If Jenkins is the 4th tackle off the board at say 25 rather than 20, then Cosmi is likely there at 31. I don't see the point in throwing away draft picks like that.
All this would be based on their internal rankings and such. We just have no clue who they value where.
Which is similar to my thoughts on Darrisaw. If they see him like some of the dudes I've been reading do, yeah, I'd trade up for him and give up an extra first as he'd be more than valuable enough. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
All this would be based on their internal rankings and such. We just have no clue who they value where.
It really doesn't matter who they value. There isn't enough differentiation between say Jenkins and Cosmi to justify trading up for one but staying put for the other. If the Chiefs actually value Jenkins THAT much more than Cosmi, I'd have to question their evals, because there's just nothing there to say one is that much better than the other. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
All this would be based on their internal rankings and such. We just have no clue who they value where.
Which is similar to my thoughts on Darrisaw. If they see him like some of the dudes I've been reading do, yeah, I'd trade up for him and give up an extra first as he'd be more than valuable enough.
You edited after I replied, sorry.
I agree on Darrisaw to a degree. I would absolutely trade up for him. He's enough better than the 4th and 5th guys to be worth trading extra picks.
The problem is the number of picks it might take. If Sewell goes to the Bengals and Slater to the Panthers, Darrisaw would have to get past the Cowboys at 10. Even if the Cowboys took someone else, the Chargers are sitting at 13.
Realistically, you might have to trade MORE than you traded to get Patrick Mahomes. Not only do I not like that idea, I'm not sure we even have the ammo to pull it off considering where we are probably picking the next couple of years. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
I don't see the point in trading up for Jenkins when the guys just after him who would probably be available at 31 would cost so much less in terms of draft picks.
If Jenkins is the 4th tackle off the board at say 25 rather than 20, then Cosmi is likely there at 31. I don't see the point in throwing away draft picks like that.
EDIT: At this point, I actually HOPE the plan is to have Niang at LT and Remmers at RT. I'd MUCH rather take a developmental tackle than put a bunch of extra picks into the position. This team NEEDS cheap playmakers going forward above everything else. I get that the goal is to protect Patrick Mahomes. The best way to do that is to build a team with as few weaknesses as possible. They need not only quality starters but quality depth and they need it to be cheap. You can't build a team that way by continuously trading away draft picks.
Here’s what they’ve said:
-they like the depth in this class
-they think Niang can play LT and aspired to put him there
-Remmers is a starting tackle (RT)
-Long has been a pro bowl tackle (RT)
I think that means they like their options in td 2 at RT. Leatherwood, Little, Radunz, Forsythe, Brown.
That would be great bc rd 1 could be their impact player at WR, corner or DE and the developmental tackle could sit and learn for a year with Remmers starting and Long as a backup in case of injury
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Here’s what they’ve said:
-they like the depth in this class
-they think Niang can play LT and aspired to put him there
-Remmers is a starting tackle (RT)
-Long has been a pro bowl tackle (RT)
I think that means they like their options in td 2 at RT. Leatherwood, Little, Radunz, Forsythe, Brown.
That would be great bc rd 1 could be their impact player at WR, corner or DE and the developmental tackle could sit and learn for a year with Remmers starting and Long as a backup in case of injury
I really like that plan
Agree 100%. I think that's their plan and I like it as well. [Reply]