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Nzoner's Game Room>We haven't argued in a while: nearly every Chiefs podcast is wrong, I think.
Direckshun 02:47 PM 09-04-2022
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Almost all the time I spend exercising or working alone or driving, I'm dialing up a Chiefs podcast. I listen to more than most: Time's Ours, Locked On, It's Always Sunny In Chiefs Kingdom, KCSN, 4th and 1, Arrowhead Addict, Arrowhead Pride, Roughing the Kicker. I don't catch all of it but I catch a lot of it.

And this past week, after breaking down the roster, several of these podcasts are, I think, overshooting what the '22 Chiefs may be capable of.

These podcasters -- with the lone exception of Nick Jacobs, whose opinions I find pretty "grounded" -- are all predicting a Super Bowl season. And while that's to be expected of Chiefs-friendly media, it sure as **** makes Chiefs Kingdom toxic by Week 10 as the Chiefs are, say, 5-4 and still trying to get their roster figured out. "We should be the go away favorites for the 1 seed!" we're all being primed to spout in November, when the Chiefs may be trying to just hold onto the AFCW. I just listened to three straight Chiefs podcasts predict the Super Bowl unanimously among their hosts, including KC Lab on KCSN, which is normally more grounded. Maybe Kissel's infected them, I don't know.

I appreciate optimism, but routinely predicting a 13-4 or 14-3 schedule against a bear of a calendar with a rookie secondary and a DL held together with scotch tape is irresponsible. Argue all you want that podcasts have no responsibility, and legally you're right. But if you want to be seen as credible, then c'mon now. Anchor yourselves.

I volunteer as tribute as the Chiefs fan on this board who thinks the Chiefs are going to be very, very good this year but on the outside looking in when it comes to the Super Bowl. Pat Kirwan is one of my favorite analysts and he famously (to me) said on Moving the Chains that "you get two ifs, and that's it." And I think this team exceeds two ifs before we're just pie-in-the-sky dreaming.

Mahomes and Reid are Mahomes and Reid. They are incredible, and when they're clicking, unstoppable. Kelce is a top 3 TE all time. JuJu, Watson, McKinnon, Fortson all have a good rapport with him right now. But it is not yet clear to me that this receiving corps can improve or even match the incredible work Tyreek put in last year. Coming as a guy who hates Tyreek's guts as a human being, there's no question he is just a cheat code who can do things nobody else can do and that there are few answers for. I think the logic of having a team with a ton of options for Mahomes makes sense. But this team is going to have to give MVS a lot of snaps to justify his contract, and I'm not high on him. Skyy and Mecole are a rookie and Mecole. JuJu looks like a damn steal, but all these things in the aggregate... I'm not sure they match what Hill did.

It's possible though, because Mahomes and Reid.

The secondary has a lot of promise, but we're completely lying to ourselves about them. This is a roster corps that we know is built with rookies, and we consistently, collectively know will have "growing pains" -- which is the same thing these podcasters recognize while predicting 13-win seasons. If you're winning 13 games, you're not having growing pains!

Spags is a god at taking a pretty talented secondary and making it look great, so that's an area I know we'll be set at long-term. But growing pains means this secondary is going to have embarrassing blown coverages and bad games that will rack up a couple more losses than they should. I think that Trent McDuffie's camp and preseason has shown a lot of promise that I was skeptical of. It's still undeniable that he's had some bumps along the way and that's going to continue as he develops in live games. Watson and Williams look really good as rookies -- they're going to still get roasted by the AFCW's gamut of excellent receivers. The learning curve can only curve up so fast.

It's possible they're fine, though, because Spags.

But those aren't the two things I think will be really problematic for the team.

First, I don't see solutions for this DL, unless Karlaftis is a truly game-changing talent, which is somebody else than he's shown so far, immediately out of the gate. Aside from Karlaftis (who I think is going to be a really great rookie but is already earning predictions to beat Derrick Thomas' record), the DE position is just not very good. Even Karlaftis, who put some great snaps on tape, is still miles away from the ceiling he's going to reach (that's not a criticism, I don't think: he's a rookie). I have no faith in Clark, I am extremely reticent about the Achilles that Dunlap has, as are the Chiefs who kept 6 DEs just to make sure we'll have bodies. Danna is a rotational guy who's fine. We should have found a way to land Robert Quinn.

The DT position has taken a step backward, I think. We all dumped on Jarran Reed, who didn't justify his contract last year, but he offered some passrushing with good run defense, a combo none of our other DTs have, other than Chris Jones, who is amazing. Nnadi got pushed around a bit in the preseason and offers no passrush, Wharton is always going to be who he is, and Saunders remains a frustrating question mark. Saunders did play well in the preseason, which... I'll just say if Saunders reaches his potential, our DL is going to wreck people. But I've been saying that for a year now.

Thank god our linebackers are amazing, because that will make up for some of the deficiencies of the DTs in front of them. We will not be a bottom 5 rush defense, but we could very realistically be a bottom third unit who Buffalo, Ravens, and Broncos run right over. And our passrush is going to be right where it was last year.

The other big problem I have is out of the Chiefs control: the schedule is just brutal. We face a Chargers team that may very well be better than us, plus Tom Brady in the first four weeks. We play both of the Super Bowl contenders. We play everybody who was in the conference championship games. I would personally argue that the 2022 AFC West is the best division we've ever seen (even better than the 2021 NFC West initially looked and mostly was). And there's a stretch we play three road games consecutively -- which I don't think is very common. I personally struggle to recall the last time we did that? My memory fails me sometimes.

The Chargers loaded up their DL and secondary, finally have an OL and a ton of weapons. The Raiders I'm never super worried about but Adams vs. a rookie secondary will be interesting. The Bills have the best roster in the league right now and I would argue the Bengals got better. I'm not super worried about Russell Wilson but that Broncos team may click. We're going to have to beat some combo of the Chargers, Bills, and Bengals to get to the Super Bowl. Any two of them is a murderer's row.

TL:-)R:

Chiefs podcasters are high on their own supply, overlooking problems both manageable and less manageable, to predict the Chiefs are Super Bowl shoo-ins. The Chiefs have a major problem at DL which I fear is going to be their Achilles all season, and a brutal schedule that will take more losses from the team than perhaps this roster deserves. I also have some comparably minor concerns: the rookie secondary, which I think will cost us games, and apparently all of these podcasts think we can replace Hill in the aggregate, whereas I'm not so sure.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Let's argue.
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Direckshun 09:48 PM 09-06-2022
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Experience, consistency, and as already mentioned, coaching, and probably leadership.

FFS, Herbert's never even won more than 9 games in a season, much less played in a playoff game or won a playoff game, or won a really tough playoff game.

I'm sure you remember the Chiefs being shutout at home in their first AFCCG in decades, or being down 24-0 the following postseason... the Chargers haven't even gotten to the point of shitting down their leg in the first quarter of postseason game (besides losing to the Raiders last season).... not sure why anyone would have a ton of faith in them until they actually prove they aren't just the Ravens or Titans or another one of these pretenders (and I know you didn't specifically mention the playoffs, but I'm just assuming you don't have a "ton of faith" that they would win 13 games and then immediately flame out).
I've joined the chorus for years that the Chargers are overhyped and will never be as good as the talent on that team suggests it should be.

But I've left the chorus this year, perhaps to my peril. I just can't look at this Chargers roster and say "this team is going to flame out." I think they're a top 3 team in the NFL with the talent on this roster.

Honestly I felt they had a better squad than us last year, and we eked out a win from them by simply having the best players in the world make some of the best plays we've ever seen. Mahomes has done that a couple times to them. He has a bottomless magician's hat.

I just... I think this is the year it clicks for the Chargers. They have a great passrush, a great secondary, a great quarterback, great skill positions, and they're solid everywhere else (except linebacker). And I like Staley's coaching, though clearly it is not on Reid's level.

They have everything I think it takes to be an amazing football team and a Super Bowl contender (except experience). I simply can't look at all of these factors and say it's going to all collapse again for them somehow. It feels unreasonable to conclude that.

We also all believe in Mahomes, but the things you need to beat him are almost all there for the Chargers. The only thing they really lack to beat him are a clock-chewing run game, but they go for it on 4th so much they may be able to supplement that.

I want to stress that this is the Reid-Mahomes Chiefs, and even with my concerns, I love that duo so much they deserve a 50% expectation to reach the AFCCG.

And to add to that, I don't know how to feel about the Chargers in the playoffs yet. I think the Bills, Chiefs, and Bengals have that pedigree, but the Chargers haven't proven it yet. But they have everything you need to do a ton of damage in the regular season, including to us.
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RealSNR 10:12 PM 09-06-2022
Real champions lose to the Texans when the playoffs are on the line at the end of the year
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PunkinDrublic 02:58 AM 09-07-2022
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
I've joined the chorus for years that the Chargers are overhyped and will never be as good as the talent on that team suggests it should be.

But I've left the chorus this year, perhaps to my peril. I just can't look at this Chargers roster and say "this team is going to flame out." I think they're a top 3 team in the NFL with the talent on this roster.

Honestly I felt they had a better squad than us last year, and we eked out a win from them by simply having the best players in the world make some of the best plays we've ever seen. Mahomes has done that a couple times to them. He has a bottomless magician's hat.

I just... I think this is the year it clicks for the Chargers. They have a great passrush, a great secondary, a great quarterback, great skill positions, and they're solid everywhere else (except linebacker). And I like Staley's coaching, though clearly it is not on Reid's level.

They have everything I think it takes to be an amazing football team and a Super Bowl contender (except experience). I simply can't look at all of these factors and say it's going to all collapse again for them somehow. It feels unreasonable to conclude that.

We also all believe in Mahomes, but the things you need to beat him are almost all there for the Chargers. The only thing they really lack to beat him are a clock-chewing run game, but they go for it on 4th so much they may be able to supplement that.

I want to stress that this is the Reid-Mahomes Chiefs, and even with my concerns, I love that duo so much they deserve a 50% expectation to reach the AFCCG.

And to add to that, I don't know how to feel about the Chargers in the playoffs yet. I think the Bills, Chiefs, and Bengals have that pedigree, but the Chargers haven't proven it yet. But they have everything you need to do a ton of damage in the regular season, including to us.
You can’t seriously be impressed with the Chargers coaching. Staley is the one that is holding them back. He single handily lost the game for the Chargers against us with his dumbass 4th down or bust mentality.
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Coogs 05:27 AM 09-07-2022
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
I've joined the chorus for years that the Chargers are overhyped and will never be as good as the talent on that team suggests it should be.

But I've left the chorus this year, perhaps to my peril. I just can't look at this Chargers roster and say "this team is going to flame out." I think they're a top 3 team in the NFL with the talent on this roster.

Honestly I felt they had a better squad than us last year, and we eked out a win from them by simply having the best players in the world make some of the best plays we've ever seen. Mahomes has done that a couple times to them. He has a bottomless magician's hat.

I just... I think this is the year it clicks for the Chargers. They have a great passrush, a great secondary, a great quarterback, great skill positions, and they're solid everywhere else (except linebacker). And I like Staley's coaching, though clearly it is not on Reid's level.

They have everything I think it takes to be an amazing football team and a Super Bowl contender (except experience). I simply can't look at all of these factors and say it's going to all collapse again for them somehow. It feels unreasonable to conclude that.

We also all believe in Mahomes, but the things you need to beat him are almost all there for the Chargers. The only thing they really lack to beat him are a clock-chewing run game, but they go for it on 4th so much they may be able to supplement that.

I want to stress that this is the Reid-Mahomes Chiefs, and even with my concerns, I love that duo so much they deserve a 50% expectation to reach the AFCCG.

And to add to that, I don't know how to feel about the Chargers in the playoffs yet. I think the Bills, Chiefs, and Bengals have that pedigree, but the Chargers haven't proven it yet. But they have everything you need to do a ton of damage in the regular season, including to us.
We kind of handed them the first game last year. 4 turnovers to none. And an ending that included a very questionable officiating decision that had a huge impct on the final result.

That being said, I agree that the Bolts have a legit team. The next 8 days go a long ways to how the West might play out. We need a good start at Arizona. And follow that up by defending home turf on Thursday night vs the Chargers.
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htismaqe 06:22 AM 09-07-2022
It's been 14 years since the Chargers won the AFCW.
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O.city 07:35 AM 09-07-2022
I do agree that the Chargers are very formidable on paper.

But they're starting the year without Jc Jackson apparently for 2 division games.

They could very easily be 0-2 by next Friday with 2 division losses.
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Direckshun 07:40 AM 09-07-2022
Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic:
You can’t seriously be impressed with the Chargers coaching. Staley is the one that is holding them back. He single handily lost the game for the Chargers against us with his dumbass 4th down or bust mentality.
I actually like that mentality -- I believe the sabermetrics favor it.
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Direckshun 07:41 AM 09-07-2022
Originally Posted by Coogs:
We kind of handed them the first game last year. 4 turnovers to none. And an ending that included a very questionable officiating decision that had a huge impct on the final result.

That being said, I agree that the Bolts have a legit team. The next 8 days go a long ways to how the West might play out. We need a good start at Arizona. And follow that up by defending home turf on Thursday night vs the Chargers.
This is all fair. Fair points.
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Direckshun 07:43 AM 09-07-2022
Originally Posted by O.city:
I do agree that the Chargers are very formidable on paper.

But they're starting the year without Jc Jackson apparently for 2 division games.

They could very easily be 0-2 by next Friday with 2 division losses.
That Jackson loss would be huge if he's not good to go against KC.

It's really hard to understate how important that Thursday Night game is, which is even crazier considering how early in the season it is.

It doesn't matter what's going to happen, these teams are going to take a pound of flesh from each other. It's going to be a damn playoff game on Thursday Night in Week 2.

Man.
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O.city 07:44 AM 09-07-2022
I mean, it's a big game, but in terms of season importance, I don't think it makes a whole huge deal.

Yeah, you wanna win at home etc. But you still get to go there and it's week 2.
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Direckshun 07:53 AM 09-07-2022
Originally Posted by O.city:
I mean, it's a big game, but in terms of season importance, I don't think it makes a whole huge deal.

Yeah, you wanna win at home etc. But you still get to go there and it's week 2.
Why I think the game is unusually important: I think winning that game puts the wind at the Chiefs' back as they face down an extremely difficult schedule. It gives them more margin for error, and of course gives you the opportunity to sweep them and force them to come to your house in January -- and we should assume we're going to see them in January.

Past seasons I didn't put a ton of worth on individual games with Mahomes because he's so damn good, you're going to make the playoffs no matter what, and soon as you're in, you're in as good a position as anyone no matter the seed.

I don't really think that's the case anymore now that the AFC has leveled up. Now it legitimately does matter who they play in that first round (assuming they don't get the 1 seed). You want an easy matchup there because you're going to have to play two of the Chargers/Bills/Bengals combo and it's going to be brutal. Get every advantage you can, it's not enough to simply get into the postseason to have the success you need.
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O.city 08:02 AM 09-07-2022
We do this every year.

We have no clue who will be what at this point yet. An injury here, an underperformance there.

Like, are we sure the Bengals are making the playoffs this year? They had a flukey run last year and everyone wants to put them in this contender state. The Bills have been really good for a couple years. The defense is a bit older etc.

You just have no clue til the bullets start flying.

Give me the HOF coach and QB.
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htismaqe 08:05 AM 09-07-2022
Originally Posted by O.city:
We do this every year.

We have no clue who will be what at this point yet. An injury here, an underperformance there.

Like, are we sure the Bengals are making the playoffs this year? They had a flukey run last year and everyone wants to put them in this contender state. The Bills have been really good for a couple years. The defense is a bit older etc.

You just have no clue til the bullets start flying.

Give me the HOF coach and QB.
After 7 weeks last season, this team had a losing record. They were one play away from a 3rd straight SB appearance.
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O.city 08:06 AM 09-07-2022
I do think that game could be a little "Chiefs Denver 2015" in that a loss could be a bit mentally detrimental.
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O.city 08:07 AM 09-07-2022
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
After 7 weeks last season, this team had a losing record. They were one play away from a 3rd straight SB appearance.
I'd prefer not to have to go on some win streak like we did again, but yes, the first month or so, is more of a feel it out kind of thing IMO.
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