Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Uh yeah, no. You have no idea of what ****ed is if you think it is ****ed now. It has is right now, yeah. But we are at a point we can start to suture the wound or continue ignoring it while the infection spreads.
Originally Posted by O.city:
It’ll be slow for a good while. I’m hopeful they’ll have a vaccine or treatment by fall which would help a lot
If states start to open up over the next month it will pick back up faster than some think but far slower than most hope. Nonetheless we are facing the shit or get off the pot moment when it comes to the economy.
I understand areas that are bad can't afford to risk opening. But most of the country can afford to start. [Reply]
And I don't quite get the Governor of Kansas' remarks about not being able to start opening on the 3rd because a lack of tests. I don't want to get political but that sounds like some butt hurt considering this is the first time we have heard this and it happened just hours after a protest.
I don't know what the amount of tests have to do with it at this point? The hospitals are not being overrun. In fact you have doctors and nurses across the entire state being laid off. If it were this dire situation you would not be laying them off when there would obviously be a huge need for any medical personnel you could get. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
If states start to open up over the next month it will pick back up faster than some think but far slower than most hope. Nonetheless we are facing the shit or get off the pot moment when it comes to the economy.
I understand areas that are bad can't afford to risk opening. But most of the country can afford to start.
Wouldn’t it be possible the areas it isn’t bad just haven’t became the bad areas yet? [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Wouldn’t it be possible the areas it isn’t bad just haven’t became the bad areas yet?
Of course it's possible. What are you gonna do? Shut down everything and wait just in case it might happen? Who says they have to become bad areas to begin with?
I mean when you do decide it's okay to leave your house? [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Wouldn’t it be possible the areas it isn’t bad just haven’t became the bad areas yet?
Case in point is SW Kansas. For quite a while there were no cases out there. Now, Ford County (Dodge City), which has 1/6th the population of Shawnee County (Topeka), has 3x as many cases--and Seward County (Liberal) which has 1/9th the population as Shawnee County now has 2x as many cases.... [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Of course it's possible. What are you gonna do? Shut down everything and wait just in case it might happen? Who says they have to become bad areas to begin with?
I mean when you do decide it's okay to leave your house?
If you open up an area and it blows up, you think people will do this all over again? [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Uh yeah, no. You have no idea of what ****ed is if you think it is ****ed now. It has is right now, yeah. But we are at a point we can start to suture the wound or continue ignoring it while the infection spreads.
To use your analogy, if the economy was a person, then its left foot has gangrene and there's no such thing as antibiotics.
The only thing we can do is amputate. The only question is just how much leg the person wants to lose. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
To use your analogy, if the economy was a person, then our left foot has gangrene and there's no such thing as antibiotics.
The only thing we can do is amputate. The only question is just how much leg we want to lose.
So what should we do\how do we make sure this doesn’t go worst case scenario on us? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
To use your analogy, if the economy was a person, then its left foot has gangrene and there's no such thing as antibiotics.
The only thing we can do is amputate. The only question is just how much leg the person wants to lose.
I disagree. We are not at the point of having to amputate yet. We will be soon if everyone stays locked down. So I guess in sticking with your analogy, we do have antibiotics at the moment. The choice is when do we start taking them and how much at once? [Reply]
