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Now that the full 11-minute recording of Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill and his now former fiancee, Crystal Espinal, talking about violence in their relationship has been aired, many fans are saying wow, this changes everything.
It does? That Hill, who didn’t know Espinal was taping him, denies ever hitting her or their son in what he thought was a private conversation is neither surprising nor exculpatory.
Abusers typically tell not only the police but friends, family, therapists, priests and even themselves they’ve never done anything wrong.
And if anything, the fact that Hill now says he didn’t hit punch or choke Espinal in 2014 makes him look worse rather than better. He pleaded guilty to those charges, publicly apologized, went through extensive therapy and declared himself reformed after probation. If he’s now back to saying that none of this ever happened, that’s not just a lie but a worrying one.
“I didn’t touch you in 2014,” he says on the tape. “And put that on everything I love, bro. That’s the real truth.”
That Espinal isn’t screaming at him that no, it’s not the truth, real or otherwise, is taken by some supporters as proof that he is innocent.
But why a woman who has been injured by him before and he’s threatening to hurt again might not do that should be obvious.
When she instead repeatedly asks him where her bruises came from if he never hit her, he doesn’t answer because there isn’t an answer that he likes well enough to repeat.
On Thursday, Espinal filed a petition in Johnson County seeking a paternity test for their newborn twins. She has full custody of them — they live with her — and she is asking for child support and only supervised visits for Hill. Her lawyer in the matter is legal counsel for SAFEHOME, a Johnson County group that supports survivors of domestic violence.
The NFL, meanwhile, seems ready to let Hill off with a brief suspension because the legal case against him isn’t going anywhere, but these things are still true:
Hill’s son was removed from his home after a child abuse investigation was launched. The Johnson County district attorney said the 3-year-old child had been hurt, but he didn’t have enough proof to prosecute.
On the tape, we heard Hill threaten the mother of his children with physical violence: “You need to be scared of me, too, dumb bitch.” He berates and belittles, calls her “bro” and “bitch” and of course, claims she ruined his life.
Denial of all wrongdoing is so standard in abuse cases that just a look at Thursday’s Star provides other examples, including that of Scott Hacker, the now former Parkville police officer charged with domestic violence after allegedly shooting his gun inside his home, throwing the woman who called 911 onto the couch, grabbing her by the throat and blaming her for “ending his career” by calling for help. Both before and after the cops arrived, he said he hadn’t shot the gun or touched her. But oops: A security camera in the living room apparently recorded the assault.
What Espinal was trying to get was the audio equivalent of that video.
If the NFL lets Hill back on the field this season, it will send the message that making threats and showing you’ve learned nothing from probation is no real problem, as long as you can run fast enough. The help he needs is not more denial, but just the opposite.
To the rest of you who are intent on seeing Hill as the victim, KCTV as a villain for not immediately releasing the full tape, and Espinal as a “manipulator” for wanting evidence to back her up in court, we could suggest some reading on the well-researched subject of abuse. But why, when you seem to prefer not to know?
Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll:
Assume for a moment that this eventually does blow over, Hill serves whatever suspension he's going to get, and football resumes as normal. If you're Hill, when the time comes, ask yourself why the **** you would want to re-sign to play in this market.
Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll:
Assume for a moment that this eventually does blow over, Hill serves whatever suspension he's going to get, and football resumes as normal. If you're Hill, when the time comes, ask yourself why the fuck you would want to re-sign to play in this market.
It'll be worse elsewhere....go look at what people are saying elsewhere, anyone who is not a chiefs fan basically calls him "human garbage that deserves to be in prison" [Reply]
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
It's an opinion piece. The facts are correct. The rest is opinion. You can agree, disagree, be triggered by it, or disregard it. Up to you :-)
It’s a character assignation on Hill specifically. If it was only about facts and opinions they wouldn’t omit every fact that could possibly contribute to both sides of the story or possibly make Hill seem better. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
It'll be worse elsewhere....go look at what people are saying elsewhere, anyone who is not a chiefs fan basically calls him "human garbage that deserves to be in prison"
Gotta be a couple exceptions to that, yeah? I'm sure fans of the Browns or the Faid would welcome him with open arms. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll:
Assume for a moment that this eventually does blow over, Hill serves whatever suspension he's going to get, and football resumes as normal. If you're Hill, when the time comes, ask yourself why the fuck you would want to re-sign to play in this market.
They're probably going to offer you the most money. The NFL is still littered with SJW owners and GMs, like the dozens of buttfucking morons who took Hill completely off their draft boards without getting to know the guy at all in the pre-draft process. [Reply]
So a doctored audio that assumes absolute guilt that turns out to be an audio that creates a ton of reasonable doubt is... Worse?
The worst part is, in doubling down on this ridiculous idea they also doubled down on their horseshit one sided journalism. They say he is guilty because he denies anything has ever happened. I've yet to see a single story from the Star that investigated that other side to see if tyreek was telling the truth. Maybe the Star should have went that route instead of doubling down on their mistakes. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
They're probably going to offer you the most money. The NFL is still littered with SJW owners and GMs, like the dozens of buttfucking morons who took Hill completely off their draft boards without getting to know the guy at all in the pre-draft process.
A lot of that is because they don't want to deal with stuff like this...they know the media will ask the questions about pry into shit constantly and they don't want the headache. No one likes answering questions like "are you anti woman" "this tells people that abusing women is ok"
Originally Posted by Mecca:
A lot of that is because they don't want to deal with stuff like this...they know the media will ask the questions about pry into shit constantly and they don't want the headache. No one likes answering questions like "are you anti woman" "this tells people that abusing women is ok"
Originally Posted by 44yearsandcounting:
I’m sure TH’s agent feels this way, and I’d assume the Chiefs organization does as well, but at some point very soon, a concerted effort should be made to rehabilitate Hill’s image. Barring any further revelations, recordings, or hit pieces, it would seem obvious that neither Hill personally, the Chiefs organization, nor especially the NFL, want this lingering into the season. Opposing fan bases won’t care what the facts are, but the NFL can’t go into the regular season with ambiguity about such a high profile case. Something needs to break big and soon.
Work with Arrowhead Pride, Arrowhead Addict and The Athletic.
Work with Television stations that have given you fair run.
Spend a LOT of time with Soren Petro, who has been critical but fair and now occupies a hell of a time slot. Spend equal time with Carrington Harrison and his team, who did some heavy lifting to get that report out in the media.
There are a myriad of avenues available to the Chiefs that will only serve to further undermine the credibility of outlets that have demonstrated a pattern of antagonism towards Hill and the Chiefs.
This is a far cry from Whitlock's days of "King Carl!!!" or even Kent Babbs brutal 'Arrowhead Anxiety' piece, which was the beginning of the end for Pioli in Kansas City. Those were exceptionally pointed attacks on the Chiefs but they were straightforward and fair. Moreover, they weren't personal hatchet pieces like the shit that's been flung at Hill and to a lesser extent, Clark and Hardman.
You have to cut the Stars nuts off right now. Make this hurt them. Badly. [Reply]
Pretty much......a reporter did this with Frank Clark in Seattle when he was breaking out, so he probably not smartly tweeted at her "reporters like you don't last long, can clean my fish tank when you get fired"
Bet you can't guess what she did with that.... [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Work with Arrowhead Pride, Arrowhead Addict and The Athletic.
Work with Television stations that have given you fair run.
Spend a LOT of time with Soren Petro, who has been critical but fair and now occupies a hell of a time slot. Spend equal time with Carrington Harrison and his team, who did some heavy lifting to get that report out in the media.
There are a myriad of avenues available to the Chiefs that will only serve to further undermine the credibility of outlets that have demonstrated a pattern of antagonism towards Hill and the Chiefs.
This is a far cry from Whitlock's days of "King Carl!!!" or even Kent Babbs brutal 'Arrowhead Anxiety' piece, which was the beginning of the end for Pioli in Kansas City. Those were exceptionally pointed attacks on the Chiefs but they were straightforward and fair. Moreover, they weren't personal hatchet pieces like the shit that's been flung at Hill and to a lesser extent, Clark and Hardman.
You have to cut the Stars nuts off right now. Make this hurt them. Badly.
Wait, what shit has been flung at Hardman? [Reply]
Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll:
Assume for a moment that this eventually does blow over, Hill serves whatever suspension he's going to get, and football resumes as normal. If you're Hill, when the time comes, ask yourself why the **** you would want to re-sign to play in this market.
Well, I think for one, he wouldn't have to deal with the rehashing of this in the media of his new team and city... Most Chief fans understand the situation now and I believe his teammates know what was portrayed was not him. [Reply]
