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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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O.city 09:57 AM 07-30-2021
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
If you've got a link, I'd love to read about it.

Do they still think asymptomatic people don't spread the virus? I think that's the last thing I saw on it.
I’ll look for it.

Last I read most spread is pre symptoms and asymptomatic is basically zero
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lawrenceRaider 10:01 AM 07-30-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
I’ll look for it.

Last I read most spread is pre symptoms and asymptomatic is basically zero
If I'm reading it right, this one suggests that even asymptomatic infections have strong immune response.

https://hollingscancercenter.musc.ed...out-antibodies

As does this one from Duke on kids.

https://pediatrics.duke.edu/news/chi...ong-antibodies
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suzzer99 10:03 AM 07-30-2021
It seems like most of the times you hear about people being infected twice, one of the two was asymptomatic. That's what I was basing my thoughts on that one asymptomatic infection might not be that useful for immunity. But maybe that's wrong.
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O.city 10:06 AM 07-30-2021
Children I would definitely believe it.

I’d have to dig into that other article, running short on time today
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lawrenceRaider 10:41 AM 07-30-2021
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
It seems like most of the times you hear about people being infected twice, one of the two was asymptomatic. That's what I was basing my thoughts on that one asymptomatic infection might not be that useful for immunity. But maybe that's wrong.
Anecdotally, the only people I have any direct knowledge of being infected twice were asymptomatic both times.

Isn't Lamar Jackson one of the reinfected who was asymptomatic both times?
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MahomesMagic 10:53 AM 07-30-2021
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
Anecdotally, the only people I have any direct knowledge of being infected twice were asymptomatic both times.

Isn't Lamar Jackson one of the reinfected who was asymptomatic both times?
That can be tricky. Because if you don't get sick and they find particles on a +PCR it doesn't mean you are "infected".
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O.city 10:56 AM 07-30-2021
I think Lamar was pretty sick the first time iirc
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lawrenceRaider 11:05 AM 07-30-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
I think Lamar was pretty sick the first time iirc
Thanks, I couldn't remember for sure.
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dirk digler 11:05 AM 07-30-2021
Just released CDC Study

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7031e2_w

Originally Posted by :
A new study shows the Delta coronavirus variant produced similar amounts of virus in vaccinated and unvaccinated people if they get infected – illustrating a key motivation behind the federal guidance that now recommends most fully vaccinated Americans wear masks indoors.

Experts say that vaccination makes it less likely that you'll catch Covid-19 in the first place – but for those who do, this data suggests they could have a similar tendency to spread it as unvaccinated people.

The study, published by CDC Friday, describes 469 Massachusetts residents who were infected in a July outbreak in Barnstable County, which includes the summer vacation destination Provincetown. No deaths were reported among them.

About 74% — or 346 cases — had been fully vaccinated. Of those cases, 79% reported symptoms. Genetically sequenced cases revealed the Delta variant as the main culprit.

The researchers found evidence that viral loads were similar among 127 fully vaccinated people and 84 others who were unvaccinated, partially vaccinated or whose vaccination status was unknown. Viral load is a proxy for how likely someone might be to transmit the virus to others.

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carlos3652 11:09 AM 07-30-2021
Im still shocked at the Pfizer study that showed the same amount of deaths in Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated (placebo) study.
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suzzer99 11:15 AM 07-30-2021
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Just released CDC Study

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7031e2_w
This is the Massachusetts group.

This 900-person delta cluster in Mass. has CDC freaked out—74% are vaccinated

(from the linked FB post)

Originally Posted by :
531 are Massachusetts residents, 220 of which reside in Provincetown. The remainder of individuals who tested positive reside in other states. 74% of the cases are among vaccinated individuals, 87% are men with a median age of 40. Note that today’s update of the overall cluster number is the smallest daily increase in cases since we began reporting the numbers.
I’m curious as to why this data set is 87% men. Provincetown is very gay but that still seems too high.

Also of course there’s no room for the important part in the headline:

Originally Posted by :
Seven hospitalizations have been reported to date associated with this cluster – 5 in MA and 2 out-of-state. No deaths have been reported.
So less than 1% risk of hospitalization and 0% risk of death.
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suzzer99 11:16 AM 07-30-2021
Originally Posted by carlos3652:
Im still shocked at the Pfizer study that showed the same amount of deaths in Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated (placebo) study.
Link?
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BigCatDaddy 11:28 AM 07-30-2021
So would same viral load also be same hospitalizations and same deaths?
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TLO 11:34 AM 07-30-2021
Originally Posted by carlos3652:
Im still shocked at the Pfizer study that showed the same amount of deaths in Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated (placebo) study.
Seems legit
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dirk digler 11:36 AM 07-30-2021
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
This is the Massachusetts group.

This 900-person delta cluster in Mass. has CDC freaked out—74% are vaccinated

(from the linked FB post)



I’m curious as to why this data set is 87% men. Provincetown is very gay but that still seems too high.

Also of course there’s no room for the important part in the headline:



So less than 1% risk of hospitalization and 0% risk of death.

The issue that concerned the CDC is the possibility of vaccinated potentially spreading the virus to others not getting hospitalized or dying. With the previous variants the vaccines pretty much stopped that but since Delta is over 1000+ more viral load that is probably why this maybe happening.

We are going to need a booster shot or wait til Pfizer releases their pill form by the end of the year which will stop transmission supposedly.
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