ChiefsPlanet Mobile
Page 3586 of 3903
« First < 2586308634863536357635823583358435853586 3587358835893590359636363686 > Last »
Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

[Reply]
TLO 08:52 AM 07-27-2021

Why are variants unlikely to FULLY evade vaccine-induced immunity?
•Vaccines are polyclonal
•CD8+ T-cells covering 52 epitopes across the spike protein
•CD4+ T-cells covering 23 epitopes across the spike protein

— Chise �������� (@sailorrooscout) July 27, 2021

[Reply]
O.city 08:54 AM 07-27-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
I'm not talking about protection against severe disease and death.

We were discussing their efficacy against infection.
Again, looks like there's such a larger sample of vaccinated individuals than non to compare to it appears to skew the math downward, when in reality they're still around 85-88 % effective in reducing infection.

We'd also need to know the specifics of those testing positive post vaccination. I know in nursing homes here they're still testing those vaccinated alot and some are testing positive while being asymptomatic. Which doesn't make sense in why you'd continue to test people that way, but maybe I'm out of the loop.
[Reply]
MahomesMagic 08:57 AM 07-27-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
Again, looks like there's such a larger sample of vaccinated individuals than non to compare to it appears to skew the math downward, when in reality they're still around 85-88 % effective in reducing infection.

We'd also need to know the specifics of those testing positive post vaccination. I know in nursing homes here they're still testing those vaccinated alot and some are testing positive while being asymptomatic. Which doesn't make sense in why you'd continue to test people that way, but maybe I'm out of the loop.
They have an incredibly high vaccination rate but it's not 99%. 74% vaccinated leaves plenty of unvaccinated to work with.

The numbers appear to be the same as if the vax did nothing to stop infection..there is no signal that it does in the current Icelandic data.
[Reply]
O.city 09:29 AM 07-27-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
They have an incredibly high vaccination rate but it's not 99%. 74% vaccinated leaves plenty of unvaccinated to work with.

The numbers appear to be the same as if the vax did nothing to stop infection..there is no signal that it does in the current Icelandic data.

Replicated wherever tracked, with gradient increased as infections begin to soar again due to Delta, now 8-fold Δ Our @SanDiegoCounty data @sdut today pic.twitter.com/wdYyXlQAjU

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) July 25, 2021

[Reply]
MahomesMagic 09:36 AM 07-27-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
Unfortunately US data on vaccine cases can't be trusted at the "cases" level.

See why:

C.D.C. Will Not Investigate Mild Infections in Vaccinated Americans


At least 10,000 vaccinated people were infected with the coronavirus through the end of April. Now the agency has stopped pursuing the mildest cases.

Now, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has stopped investigating breakthrough infections among fully vaccinated people unless they become so sick that they are hospitalized or die.

Earlier this year, the agency was monitoring all cases. Through the end of April, when some 101 million Americans had been vaccinated, the C.D.C. had received 10,262 reports of breakthrough infections from 46 states and territories, a number that was very likely “a substantial undercount,” according to a C.D.C. report issued on Tuesday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/25/h...s-vaccine.html
[Reply]
O.city 09:40 AM 07-27-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Unfortunately US data on vaccine cases can't be trusted at the "cases" level.

See why:

C.D.C. Will Not Investigate Mild Infections in Vaccinated Americans


At least 10,000 vaccinated people were infected with the coronavirus through the end of April. Now the agency has stopped pursuing the mildest cases.

Now, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has stopped investigating breakthrough infections among fully vaccinated people unless they become so sick that they are hospitalized or die.

Earlier this year, the agency was monitoring all cases. Through the end of April, when some 101 million Americans had been vaccinated, the C.D.C. had received 10,262 reports of breakthrough infections from 46 states and territories, a number that was very likely “a substantial undercount,” according to a C.D.C. report issued on Tuesday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/25/h...s-vaccine.html
Weren't you on the "cases don't matter" train?

Are those other countries cases symptomatic?
[Reply]
MahomesMagic 09:46 AM 07-27-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
Weren't you on the "cases don't matter" train?

Are those other countries cases symptomatic?

The problem is the US data is a mess because we are not tracking things the way other countries are.

As someone that is used to this, we now know how they are doing it.

Even past cases, vaccine deaths in the US we don't count the same.

UK as 2 doses, 1dose +, 1dose within days

US if you die after your 2nd shot, but not enough time after won't you count as an "unvaccinated death"?

Hospital numbers are going to be skewed now too...

We need to look at different test levels for vaccinated/unvaccinated at all levels.
[Reply]
Marcellus 10:01 AM 07-27-2021
Something anecdotal but interesting none the less I think.

Today in our Covid meeting we realized we have had about 3 break through cases with vaccinated employees, that's about 4% of our recent positives since July 1. None of the breakthrough cases have gotten very ill at all. Mild sickness.

What's interesting is we have about as many people who were previously positive as we had vaccinated going into July and we have had 0 previous positives test positive compared to the 3 vaccinated.
[Reply]
O.city 10:36 AM 07-27-2021
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/sta...244478977?s=21
[Reply]
O.city 10:43 AM 07-27-2021

שינוי מגמה בארץ - הגל ״תפס״ את הלא מחוסנים. @dvir_a ואנוכי הסתכלנו על המידע העדכני וניסינו לנתח את המידע הגולמי על מנת שנוכל להעריך טוב יותר את מצב התחלואה ואת יעילות החיסון.

שרשור!��
>

— Amir Argoetti (@AArgoetti) July 27, 2021


Here's the explanation on the Israeli data. Makes sense. Now we would theoretically see the efficacy number increase.
[Reply]
O.city 11:05 AM 07-27-2021

Vaccine impact in Israel: changing trends. Analysis thread with @AArgoetti.
From about a month and a half ago we are experiencing a new “Delta” burst. Cases are accumulating, and more and more severe patients are in the hospitals. https://t.co/pCEjbkhMFu

— Dvir Aran (@dvir_a) July 27, 2021

[Reply]
TLO 02:48 PM 07-27-2021

Regarding the reports out of Israel on low vaccine effectiveness, it seems there was a denominator issue. What does this mean? It means the vaccines are highly effective in preventing severe cases AND likely symptomatic infection, even for those who were vaccinated early.

— Chise �������� (@sailorrooscout) July 27, 2021

[Reply]
DaFace 03:00 PM 07-27-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:


Here's the explanation on the Israeli data. Makes sense. Now we would theoretically see the efficacy number increase.
Are you just using Google Translate to make sense of this, or do you have some other magic process here? (Or are you Jewish...?)
[Reply]
suzzer99 03:00 PM 07-27-2021
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/27/polit...nce/index.html

Originally Posted by :
New evidence found that the levels of virus found in breakthrough cases among the vaccinated people are similar to those found in unvaccinated individuals who contract coronavirus, raising concerns that vaccinated individuals may be able to spread the virus, the official said.

A separate health official said that, based on the latest data, officials believe vaccinated people only represent a small amount of coronavirus transmission and the overwhelming majority of spread is still by unvaccinated people. But they know breakthrough cases can happen and emerging data suggests some vaccinated people can spread it, which is the driving factor behind Tuesday’s decision, as they continue to study it.

Versions of the virus that dominated in the past generally did not appear to be transmitted by people who had been fully vaccinated.
This probably explains a lot about the case explosions in places like Israel.
[Reply]
Marcellus 03:01 PM 07-27-2021
Originally Posted by TLO:
One of the biggest problems with covid messaging is there is way too much info out there that is released without certainty or with flaws that is then changed, or edited, or revised.

We all would be better off if they just :-) until the KNEW what they were communicating is accurate. Its been an issue from day 1. Yea there would be gaps in communication but that's better than a constant feed of inaccurate or faulty info.
[Reply]
Page 3586 of 3903
« First < 2586308634863536357635823583358435853586 3587358835893590359636363686 > Last »
Up