The BigXII shot itself in the foot yesterday with the round-robin setup. 4 of the 5 P5 conferences have a championship game. The higher seed in each of those games got into the playoffs...whether those are the 4 top teams or not. I don't think FSU or OSU are a top 4 team...but that's for another thread.
The Big12 is going to be relying on the lower seed to win one of these championship games from her on out if they choose not to have a B12 CCG. IMO, that isn't a good way to get your conference represented in the playoffs...
The round-robin is cute...but until they expand to 8 teams. The B12 could find themselves in this situation more often than Not.
The Baylor vs KSU was the championship argument is flawed as is the B12 could have had 2 teams in the playoffs...
So....to get the B12 back to....12 teams, what two teams would you add?
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Let’s say KU sticks to a quaint basketball conference and says “fuck football and being in the SEC/Big 10.
Would anybody be surprised at all if their football team happened to catch lightning in a bottle ala that one time with Mark Mangino, and the college football playoff got expanded and they ended up going to the playoffs in football before mizzou did?
Not saying it’s going to happen, but since we’re all just fans, who the fuck gives a shit about conference marketability if you’re dog crap and never win anything?
Yeah, the choice is to be part of this gauntlet and hope you're decent enough to not just make it to the top of a relatively not-as-great SECE (3 of the 4 teams below MU are in the East), but then have to deal with whichever best comes out of the other division, just to have a chance at the playoffs.
....or don't be everyone's bitch and know you aren't going to recruit as well as the only 4 teams who ever make it into the playoffs, play to your competition, and maybe get lucky and win an Orange Bowl every once in while.
If a coach at MU could ever keep its instate talent home they have a chance to be very good. The current coach finally broke through and was able to keep those St.Louis kids. I wouldn't be so quick to write Mizzou football off just yet [Reply]
Front and center in the minds of college basketball recruits/coaches/media.
Football matters on a national level. There are a handful of teams competing every year. Belonging to a dominant football conference and thinking that your sad sack excuse is part of that dominance is laughable.
These conferences need to weed out the "bottom feeders by association" and move forward. [Reply]
SOURCES: THE SEC IS IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH MISSOURI AND VANDERBILT TO BUY OUT THEIR CONTRACT WITH THE SEC. IT IS LOOKING MORE AND MORE LIKELY THAT DUKE, NORTH CAROLINA, MIAMI, AND CLEMSON WILL JOIN THE SEC BEFORE THE START OF THE 2024 SCHOOL YEAR.
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
If a coach at MU could ever keep its instate talent home they have a chance to be very good. The current coach finally broke through and was able to keep those St.Louis kids. I wouldn't be so quick to write Mizzou football off just yet
Missouri made the right move, objectively, moving to the SEC. Any D1 school with that opportunity would do so, or would have been fools not to. The problems began with losing Pinkel, and the school's inability to find a capable head coach to replace him.
That's really no surprise. The athletic department leadership has always been a joke... look at the murderer's row of clowns that have coached the basketball program over the last 22 years.
But they have still always been safe from the fractures opening in the earth and swallowing up the Big 12, PAC-10, and probably the whole rest of the landscape because of the move to the SEC. There is no way to argue that they should have stayed where they were. Completely irrational position to try to defend. A better record in a mid-level conference means nothing, nationally. A place in the Power 2 always leaves open the chance to turn things around and be nationally relevant again. There aren't many years left where winning the Big 12 or the Pac 12 in football will mean much nationally.
If they can find another coach who is as effective at running the whole program and winning on the field, they'll have all they need. The SEC is the hardest place to win but it's the best place to be when you can. It's too bad the chuckleheads in the AD never seem to improve. [Reply]
SOURCES: THE SEC IS IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH MISSOURI AND VANDERBILT TO BUY OUT THEIR CONTRACT WITH THE SEC. IT IS LOOKING MORE AND MORE LIKELY THAT DUKE, NORTH CAROLINA, MIAMI, AND CLEMSON WILL JOIN THE SEC BEFORE THE START OF THE 2024 SCHOOL YEAR.
Originally Posted by Mr. Plow:
Glad to see a few of you embrace the KU vs. MU hate and act like MU is anything more to the SEC than the St Louis television market and that KU basketball is a secondary sport. It's good to hear the same nonsense as we all heard 12 years ago.
For us KU fans, we'll just sit in our irrelevant conference, enjoy our Orange Bowl win a couple decades ago, our few national titles in basketball, and always being a contender in at least one major sport knowing that no matter what conference we're in, we still have accomplished more than MU ever will. :-)
I'm being 100% honest when I say this: I would not trade places with that POS school in a million years.
When all you can cling to as a fan is the "Pinkel era" and being a part of a conference, it fucking sucks being you. I mean it really fucking sucks. LOL [Reply]
Originally Posted by Razaele:
Missouri made the right move, objectively, moving to the SEC. Any D1 school with that opportunity would do so, or would have been fools not to. The problems began with losing Pinkel, and the school's inability to find a capable head coach to replace him.
That's really no surprise. The athletic department leadership has always been a joke... look at the murderer's row of clowns that have coached the basketball program over the last 22 years.
But they have still always been safe from the fractures opening in the earth and swallowing up the Big 12, PAC-10, and probably the whole rest of the landscape because of the move to the SEC. There is no way to argue that they should have stayed where they were. Completely irrational position to try to defend. A better record in a mid-level conference means nothing, nationally. A place in the Power 2 always leaves open the chance to turn things around and be nationally relevant again. There aren't many years left where winning the Big 12 or the Pac 12 in football will mean much nationally.
If they can find another coach who is as effective at running the whole program and winning on the field, they'll have all they need. The SEC is the hardest place to win but it's the best place to be when you can. It's too bad the chuckleheads in the AD never seem to improve.
Absolutely... Texas (and OU) can go fuck itself and no one blames any team for getting out from under them.
It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out and what other changes occur with the playoff structure and so forth in the future.
I don't think just any school should jump ship for one of the two conferences, just because there's so much to unwrap there.
The impending doom and fear seems to be largely bullshit right now, just as it has been for 12 years and isn't generally why you'd make such a huge decision (OTOH, Texas single-handedly doing whatever it could to break up the B12 would be).
Money is of course always a top reason, but if you give a shit about your athletic department, I don't think it can be the ONLY reason.... you still have to know how to use it, THEN you have to deal with being in a conference that holds a third of all playoff spots if you ever dream of being one of those teams.
CFB is dumb in that a pretty good team like Cincinnati has a better shot at making the playoffs than letting in 2 SEC teams, much less getting past Alabama and Georgia to be the first or 2nd SEC team in. There's also a higher ceiling overall, because you get propped up by your own conference, which gets a bunch of teams into the preseason poll, so beat one of those frauds early in the season who don't belong and boom, you're ranked! The higher ceiling could mean NYD bowls where those great recruits you got from your association with the SEC sit out prior to the NFL draft.
And hell, I've always been the type to think 'to be the best, play the best', and as a fan I'd love a competent football team to watch in the SEC... and maybe in another decade the teams that jumped ship 10 years ago and are still struggling to win in their new conferences will have changed things around and all of their fans can say it worked out great. Or maybe in another 10 years the landscape changes and we get a 3 round SEC conference tournament or an 8-12 team playoff, so the teams propped up by being in the SEC start making the playoffs, who couldn't have done it in other conferences. :-)
I just wouldn't say it's a done deal that it would be great for every team. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Absolutely... Texas (and OU) can go **** itself and no one blames any team for getting out from under them.
It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out and what other changes occur with the playoff structure and so forth in the future.
I don't think just any school should jump ship for one of the two conferences, just because there's so much to unwrap there.
The impending doom and fear seems to be largely bullshit right now, just as it has been for 12 years and isn't generally why you'd make such a huge decision (OTOH, Texas single-handedly doing whatever it could to break up the B12 would be).
Money is of course always a top reason, but if you give a shit about your athletic department, I don't think it can be the ONLY reason.... you still have to know how to use it, THEN you have to deal with being in a conference that holds a third of all playoff spots if you ever dream of being one of those teams.
CFB is dumb in that a pretty good team like Cincinnati has a better shot at making the playoffs than letting in 2 SEC teams, much less getting past Alabama and Georgia to be the first or 2nd SEC team in. There's also a higher ceiling overall, because you get propped up by your own conference, which gets a bunch of teams into the preseason poll, so beat one of those frauds early in the season who don't belong and boom, you're ranked! The higher ceiling could mean NYD bowls where those great recruits you got from your association with the SEC sit out prior to the NFL draft.
And hell, I've always been the type to think 'to be the best, play the best', and as a fan I'd love a competent football team to watch in the SEC... and maybe in another decade the teams that jumped ship 10 years ago and are still struggling to win in their new conferences will have changed things around and all of their fans can say it worked out great. Or maybe in another 10 years the landscape changes and we get a 3 round SEC conference tournament or an 8-12 team playoff, so the teams propped up by being in the SEC start making the playoffs, who couldn't have done it in other conferences. :-)
I just wouldn't say it's a done deal that it would be great for every team.
Expanding the playoffs to 12 teams can fix allt if this IMO [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Expanding the playoffs to 12 teams can fix allt if this IMO
With CFB now consisting of 2 power conferences, they can't NOT expand the playoffs in accordance with it. Some years the top 5 or 6 teams or more will all be from the Power 2. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Razaele:
With CFB now consisting of 2 power conferences, they can't NOT expand the playoffs in accordance with it. Some years the top 5 or 6 teams or more will all be from the Power 2.
Playoff expansion will happen in the next few years. I think the current contract expires in 3? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Razaele:
With CFB now consisting of 2 power conferences, they can't NOT expand the playoffs in accordance with it. Some years the top 5 or 6 teams or more will all be from the Power 2.
Not that making the playoffs now is a walk in the park for most programs, but then it would make basically impossible... it would be reminiscent of the old MLB days where 100-win teams missed the playoffs.
And without some sort of conference playoff, it's seriously dumb to lump all teams into two baskets (if that does actually happen) just to tell the vast majority of teams that even if they catch lightning in a bottle, good fucking luck. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Expanding the playoffs to 12 teams can fix allt if this IMO
That's the dumbest part of realignment and TV contracts.... expanding the playoffs would create so much money and interest, makes the fans happy, would probably make the vast majority of players happy.
But nah... let's all realign into two conferences for mega TV contracts and then have two important games per season with a bunch of opt-out bowls. [Reply]
