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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>Jones...keep or get a haul?
mkp785 11:34 AM 01-24-2023
Originally Posted by DRM08:
KC has one of the highest paid DL's in the league and not sure they have much to show for it. Very little pressure applied to the likes of Brady, Allen, & Burrow through the years. We'll see if they can have a much better game this weekend. I think they're going to need a great defensive performance to win.
So you cut frank Clark. What you don't do is get rid of the best or 2nd best DT in the league.
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Chiefspants 10:54 PM 01-23-2023
Are you sure Clark hasn’t earned another season after that sack on Satur-
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kccrow 10:56 PM 01-23-2023
I was firmly in support of trading Chris Jones but I think I've moved to be firmly in support of adding another penetrating DT right next to him. Give me two guys that can rape face up the middle.

I WANT JEVON HARGRAVE. Badly. Extend Jones and pay Hargrave Clark's money. To note, no I don't see Philly using the tag on him.

Give me a speed rusher opposite Karlaftis and I'll be dancing a jig. I really like Derick Hall as a guy that probably won't be a 1st round player.

I see this as the best way to truly enhance the pass rush immediately. You can't double two DTs and either will make you pay dearly.
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DJ's left nut 11:14 PM 01-23-2023
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I was firmly in support of trading Chris Jones but I think I've moved to be firmly in support of adding another penetrating DT right next to him. Give me two guys that can rape face up the middle.

I WANT JEVON HARGRAVE. Badly. Extend Jones and pay Hargrave Clark's money. To note, no I don't see Philly using the tag on him.

Give me a speed rusher opposite Karlaftis and I'll be dancing a jig. I really like Derick Hall as a guy that probably won't be a 1st round player.

I see this as the best way to truly enhance the pass rush immediately. You can't double two DTs and either will make you pay dearly.
Hargrave is just such a one-trick pony. And he really has been his entire career so it's not something I'm willing to chalk up to scheme.

The guy just doesn't give a fuck about run defense and that's an awfully hard thing to stomach at DT, especially when ideally you want to keep Jones more free to attack so you need a pretty responsible complement to him.

Don't get me wrong, I'll happily weight interior pass rush over run-stopping ability at DT2, but I don't think you can put a guy there who's just actively AWFUL against the run.

Could I talk you into Dalvin Tomlinson instead? He's a credible interior pass rusher who's actually sound against the run. If he costs a similar amount as Hargrave, I think that's the direction I'd go. And probably see if Andrew Billings can be had on another short-term deal for minimal outlay to replace Nnadi.
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kccrow 03:27 AM 01-24-2023
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Hargrave is just such a one-trick pony. And he really has been his entire career so it's not something I'm willing to chalk up to scheme.

The guy just doesn't give a fuck about run defense and that's an awfully hard thing to stomach at DT, especially when ideally you want to keep Jones more free to attack so you need a pretty responsible complement to him.

Don't get me wrong, I'll happily weight interior pass rush over run-stopping ability at DT2, but I don't think you can put a guy there who's just actively AWFUL against the run.

Could I talk you into Dalvin Tomlinson instead? He's a credible interior pass rusher who's actually sound against the run. If he costs a similar amount as Hargrave, I think that's the direction I'd go. And probably see if Andrew Billings can be had on another short-term deal for minimal outlay to replace Nnadi.
He is more of a one-trick pony but it's not like we have world-beaters against the run as it is. It's mostly a passing league and the teams we have to get through in the playoffs, especially the AFC, are passing teams. You're going after the larger percentage (60% or so) of plays and the bulk of overall yards.

I'd much rather have Hargrave in FA. I'd hope to get a guy like Keeanu Benton in the draft to be the Tomlinson type.
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O.city 09:16 AM 01-24-2023
Originally Posted by kccrow:
He is more of a one-trick pony but it's not like we have world-beaters against the run as it is. It's mostly a passing league and the teams we have to get through in the playoffs, especially the AFC, are passing teams. You're going after the larger percentage (60% or so) of plays and the bulk of overall yards.

I'd much rather have Hargrave in FA. I'd hope to get a guy like Keeanu Benton in the draft to be the Tomlinson type.
Dre"Mont Jones would be option 1a for me.
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JPH83 05:14 AM 01-24-2023
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Hargrave is just such a one-trick pony. And he really has been his entire career so it's not something I'm willing to chalk up to scheme.

The guy just doesn't give a **** about run defense and that's an awfully hard thing to stomach at DT, especially when ideally you want to keep Jones more free to attack so you need a pretty responsible complement to him.

Don't get me wrong, I'll happily weight interior pass rush over run-stopping ability at DT2, but I don't think you can put a guy there who's just actively AWFUL against the run.

Could I talk you into Dalvin Tomlinson instead?
He's a credible interior pass rusher who's actually sound against the run. If he costs a similar amount as Hargrave, I think that's the direction I'd go. And probably see if Andrew Billings can be had on another short-term deal for minimal outlay to replace Nnadi.
Yes you could, mentioned him and I think Billings on another thread here. Probably cheaper and more rounded.
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ChiefAshhole1056 11:23 PM 01-23-2023
I used to be on board with testing the market for CJ but at this point I don’t see how it can go through. Reek was let go just so that there could be cap to keep Jones and more. He’a legitamitely a top 5 pass rusher in the league and there’s argument for top 3.

We finally have a threatening pass rush for the first time in nearly a decade and he’s the key reason behind it. There aren’t many things that are worth a tier 1 contract but a dominant pass rusher is, especially when it’s the best interior rusher in the league.
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Dull Tools 08:06 AM 01-24-2023
The thing I am thinking about is there is likely to be a lot of rookies wanting new deals in the next few years.

Sneed, Gay, Bolton, Creed, Smith, Toney. We need to think about who we do and don't want to keep and that will play into the thoughts of Veech.
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bigjosh 08:10 AM 01-24-2023
Lets see the completion of this playoff run before we decide on jones.
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O.city 08:57 AM 01-24-2023
I'd call up the Bucs and see if they need to move Vita Vea.
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The Franchise 09:33 AM 01-24-2023
Originally Posted by O.city:
I'd call up the Bucs and see if they need to move Vita Vea.
I just don’t see a scenario where they even think about moving Vea.
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O.city 09:36 AM 01-24-2023
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
I just don’t see a scenario where they even think about moving Vea.
They're 54 milion over the cap and don't have a QB.
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The Franchise 09:40 AM 01-24-2023
Originally Posted by O.city:
They're 54 milion over the cap and don't have a QB.
And trading Vea gets them maybe $5 million in cap space.
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DJ's left nut 09:18 AM 01-24-2023
I do like dre'mont as a lower cost rotational rusher.

He's plateaued a bit, but he has some real nice rush tools.
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