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TLO 05:08 PM 09-26-2020
www.chiefsplanet.com is where I head to get all of my medical questions answered! (Seriously though I know we have some people here knowledgeable about this stuff)

Went in to do my yearly drug screening due to me taking a benzodiazepine on a regular basis about a week ago. Got the results a day later along with a call from my doctor saying that my test came back negative for benzos. They asked me if I had been taking the medication as prescribed, which I have. They said no big deal, we'll just redo the test.

Did the sample again yesterday, and again it was negative. The doctors office isn't open today so I'm not sure what the deal is.

Anyone know why I'd be coming up negative on the screening? Klonipon is the drug, if that helps any.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 10:45 PM 09-26-2020
There are a lot of variables in a drug test. He can still have it in his system and not have enough of the metabolite to spike a positive test. This can be exacerbated by other drugs or supplements one takes. Clonazepam is a CYP3A4 substrate, of which there are many inducers (phenobarb, carbamazepine, oxcarbazapine, rifampin, phenytoin, smoking). Inducers can cause a person to clear the drug much faster than they would under normal physiological conditions.

Have your pills recently changed color or shape? It's possible the pharmacy gave you the wrong medication--for example Clonidine instead of Clonazepam. If not, the pharmacy would be able to tell you the lot number of the mediation and the supplier. Should others have similar issues, they would need to institute a recall due to adulteration, as clonazepam is primarily used for seizure control, and prompt withdrawal will cause exacerbations and potentially status epilepticus.
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Hog's Gone Fishin 03:28 AM 09-27-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
There are a lot of variables in a drug test. He can still have it in his system and not have enough of the metabolite to spike a positive test. This can be exacerbated by other drugs or supplements one takes. Clonazepam is a CYP3A4 substrate, of which there are many inducers (grapefruit, protease inhibitors, cimetidine, cyclosporine, macrolides, amiodarone, azole antifungals, non-DHP calcium channel blockers). Inducers can cause a person to clear the drug much faster than they would under normal physiological conditions.

Have your pills recently changed color or shape? It's possible the pharmacy gave you the wrong medication--for example Clonidine instead of Clonazepam. If not, the pharmacy would be able to tell you the lot number of the mediation and the supplier. Should others have similar issues, they would need to institute a recall due to adulteration, as clonazepam is primarily used for seizure control, and prompt withdrawal will cause exacerbations and potentially status epilepticus.
Oh, you beat me to it. I was going to post the same thing.
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TLO 09:44 AM 09-27-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
There are a lot of variables in a drug test. He can still have it in his system and not have enough of the metabolite to spike a positive test. This can be exacerbated by other drugs or supplements one takes. Clonazepam is a CYP3A4 substrate, of which there are many inducers (phenobarb, carbamazepine, oxcarbazapine, rifampin, phenytoin, smoking). Inducers can cause a person to clear the drug much faster than they would under normal physiological conditions.

Have your pills recently changed color or shape? It's possible the pharmacy gave you the wrong medication--for example Clonidine instead of Clonazepam. If not, the pharmacy would be able to tell you the lot number of the mediation and the supplier. Should others have similar issues, they would need to institute a recall due to adulteration, as clonazepam is primarily used for seizure control, and prompt withdrawal will cause exacerbations and potentially status epilepticus.
1.5mg daily. The pill hasn't changed recently, still the same shape and color.

I talked to one of the nurses at the doctors office this morning. She said the cutoff the lab uses for a negative/positive test may be set too high. She's going to order a test that has a lower cutoff and see what kind of results we get.
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htismaqe 10:58 AM 09-27-2020
1.5mg isn't a low dose.
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TLO 11:13 AM 09-27-2020
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
1.5mg isn't a low dose.
No it's not. 0.5mg TID.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the medication itself. I'm fairly certain I'd know if it wasn't working. (Bad batch, etc) There's no recalls out that I can find anywhere.
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TLO 11:15 AM 09-27-2020
I've done some research, reading what medical literature I can find. Klonipin in particular seems notorious for giving off false negatives.
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dlphg9 12:06 PM 09-27-2020
Immunoassay methodology isn't very reliable when it comes to UDS. They have can easily have false positives because they are picking up the structure of the molecule and if someone has taken something similar in structure then it may flag as positive. Im not sure why they don't pick up clonazepam, but I had read that they have false negatives ~30% of the time with benzos.

See if they can just call into Quest and have then do the mass spectrometry for Benzos and that should pick it up.
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TLO 12:40 PM 09-27-2020
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Immunoassay methodology isn't very reliable when it comes to UDS. They have can easily have false positives because they are picking up the structure of the molecule and if someone has taken something similar in structure then it may flag as positive. Im not sure why they don't pick up clonazepam, but I had read that they have false negatives ~30% of the time with benzos.

See if they can just call into Quest and have then do the mass spectrometry for Benzos and that should pick it up.
Thanks. I'll call my doctor in the AM
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Demonpenz 01:14 PM 09-27-2020
probably using wal-greens. They always give me weird shit. Like I needed a benzo and they gave me caffeine pills
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vailpass 01:17 PM 09-27-2020
Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin:
Oh, you beat me to it. I was going to post the same thing.
:-)
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scho63 07:46 PM 09-27-2020
How to Read your Blood Test Results

http://www.amarillomed.com/howto
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dlphg9 11:49 PM 09-29-2020
Originally Posted by scho63:
How to Read your Blood Test Results

http://www.amarillomed.com/howto
It's a urine drug screen old man!
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TLO 11:58 AM 10-13-2020
3rd try - finally came back positive. They ran some kind of specialized test and it picked it up.
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TLO 12:01 PM 10-13-2020
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Immunoassay methodology isn't very reliable when it comes to UDS. They have can easily have false positives because they are picking up the structure of the molecule and if someone has taken something similar in structure then it may flag as positive. Im not sure why they don't pick up clonazepam, but I had read that they have false negatives ~30% of the time with benzos.

See if they can just call into Quest and have then do the mass spectrometry for Benzos and that should pick it up.
They did this

DRUG MONITOR, BENZO, QN, URINE

AlphahydroxyalprazolamNEGATIVE
25 ng/mL
AlphahydroxymidazolamNEGATIVE
50 ng/mL
AlphahydroxytriazolamNEGATIVE
50 ng/mL
Aminoclonazepam710 H
25 ng/mL
HydroxyethylflurazepamNEGATIVE
50 ng/mL
LorazepamNEGATIVE
50 ng/mL
NordiazepamNEGATIVE
50 ng/mL
OxazepamNEGATIVE
50 ng/mL
TemazepamNEGATIVE
50 ng/mL
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TLO 02:38 PM 09-22-2021
Back to the same god damn problem as last year around this time. The nurse called me and had an attitude about me not taking my medication as prescribed. Told her the story of last year and about needing a more specialized test. According to them, that test is no longer available and I need to come back in and repeat the SAME test that is reliably giving me false results. I tell them I don't want to keep paying for labs that I know are going to come back as negative.

What a shit load of fuck.
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