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Lzen 10:24 AM 07-20-2021
Just got these in my email and thought they were interesting and informative. Tim Larkin is a self defense guy I have been learning from (Target Focus Training) for years. His guest is an expert on this and he only uses facts. Perhaps this could save some lives. Share with everyone you know.

Pt. 1
https://youtu.be/FDDK0jLsdKQ

Pt. 2
https://youtu.be/nRt2bjdCEO4
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DaneMcCloud 05:42 PM 07-20-2021
Originally Posted by Coach:
Yeah, listen to this guy folks, he's an expert of it. Hell, he took out his refrigerator for god sakes.
Well, to be fair, that refrigerator was a real cunt
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Hoopsdoc 05:51 PM 07-20-2021
How the hell is this thread not in DC yet?
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eDave 05:57 PM 07-20-2021
Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc:
How the hell is this thread not in DC yet?
It's not even close to that.
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Frazod 06:50 PM 07-20-2021
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Well, to be fair, that refrigerator was a real cunt
I hate you fuckers. :-)
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lcarus 06:53 PM 07-20-2021
Just reason with the shooter long enough for the social workers to show up.
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DaFace 06:58 PM 07-20-2021
Originally Posted by wazu:
Not really. If I don't own any guns, and don't ever go hunting or do any of the things that would put me at risk of an accidental gun death, I'd say that number goes way down, probably even lower than the chance of being part of a mass shooting.
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
Eh, kinda. Context matters a lot.

If you have a ton of guns around - especially if you don't use them a ton - you're going to have a far higher than 4x chance of accidental shooting death than a person with 0 exposure to guns.

If you're never around guns you're going to have to be around an accidental discharge or a crime and be a bystandard.

So it's hard to buy that absolutely you're 4x more likely to get blasted by accident than active shooter and apply that to a population.
You guys are complicating my oversimplification. :-)

But yes, you're right. Point still stands that I'm not going to spend much energy thinking about it. I'll just crawl into the fetal position and hope for the best. :-)
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Sorter 07:15 PM 07-20-2021
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Well, to be fair, that refrigerator was a real cunt
:-):-):-)
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duncan_idaho 07:17 PM 07-20-2021
Originally Posted by DaFace:
You guys are complicating my oversimplification. :-)

But yes, you're right. Point still stands that I'm not going to spend much energy thinking about it. I'll just crawl into the fetal position and hope for the best. :-)

This, exactly.

Itís why I donít have guns in my house and never will. Why I donít carry and never will.

The odds of someone invading my home or me being involved in an active shooter event are infinitesimally small. Much smaller than the risk of an accident with a gun if itís in the house (and with two young kids, thatís the most important thing).

Thereís 0.0 percent chance my kids have an accident with a gun in my home if there are none in my home.

Re: active shooter drills, my favorite was the emphasis a previous employer started placing on it right after they moved us into an open office setting.

The instructor met with us in the basement of the building and hadnít seen our office layout. During his lecture, he mentioned that open office plans were horrible ideas for a lot of reasons, including that they made it much easier for active shooters to rack up higher numbers.

Watching our CAOís face (she was the one who insisted on the open office plan) during that was priceless.
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|Zach| 07:32 PM 07-20-2021
Spent a lot of time with this stuff at work. Active shooters are a pretty big deal for us especially in schools. I respect people's right to carry and understand the urge for a good guy with a gun to act upon a bad guy with a gun but when cops swarm the area there is no magic sign that says you are a good guy. You are just a guy with a brandished firearm and will be treated as the active shooter until it can be confirmed it is not you. The chaos and confusion that comes with active shooter events makes it very dangerous for an armed person.

No problem with people being armed and understand if you are in that situation being armed to defend yourself but you should have it in your head how poorly that decision can go for you. A lot of times people that try to be John Wayne's make situations police respond to much worse...not only active shooters. Just my experience in communications at a police department.
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Jenson71 07:35 PM 07-20-2021
Originally Posted by Why Not?:
Most shit people are afraid of is unlikely to ever occur. Tens of millions of people are terrified of flying and almost anything you can think of has a higher percentage shot of happening than anyone being in a plane crash/incident, let alone dying from one.
I have to tell myself this for about an hour before every flight I go on. I think a lot of it is about giving up 100% control of your life to someone else and there being no survival rate if that person decides he just wants to kill everyone that day.
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|Zach| 07:37 PM 07-20-2021
Police killing of Arvada “Samaritan” highlights difficulty in discerning “who’s a good guy and who’s a bad guy”

Three men died Monday in Olde Town Arvada, including police officer and man hailed as hero

https://www.denverpost.com/2021/06/2...-self-defense/

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Johnny Hurley carried a concealed weapon so he could defend himself and others should there ever be a threat, his friends said.

When the moment came on Monday, he drew his weapon and charged toward a gunman in Olde Town Arvada only to be killed a short time later by a responding Arvada police officer, investigators said. Hurley was holding the gunman’s AR-15 after shooting him when the officer arrived, police said.

Hurley’s death once again sparked questions about how Colorado law enforcement reacts to armed people who are acting lawfully in self-defense. Many of the hundreds of thousands of gun owners in Colorado keep their weapons in case they need to defend themselves or others.

But in chaotic moments, police can mistakenly believe someone trying to help is a threat.

“It’s a difficult thing,” said Pete Blair, executive director of Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training at Texas State University, which trains law enforcement officers how to respond to active shooters. “You’re asking people to make split-second decisions about who’s a good guy and who’s a bad guy and obviously mistakes happen.”

Jimmy Graham, owner of Centennial self-defense training program Able Shepherd, trains civilians for exactly these scenarios. He said people carrying guns should only intervene in active shooter situations if they reasonably believe they can do so effectively and safely. Target practice is important, but people also need to complete scenario-based training on movement and tactics, he said.

“This is a responsibility and it has to be realistic,” he said. “They need to have skills beyond shooting cans down by the river.”

“You need to be prepared”
Hurley is not the first Coloradan defensively using a gun to be shot by police. Aurora police in August 2018 shot and killed 73-year-old Richard “Gary” Black after the grandfather used his gun to shoot and kill a naked man who kicked in his front door and attacked his 11-year-old grandson.

Prosecutors decided that the officer who killed Black should not face criminal charges.

A year earlier, the law enforcement investigation into a shooting at a Thornton Walmart that left three dead was slowed because multiple people drew weapons when shots rang out. Police poring through video recordings of the shooting had to rule out each person who drew a weapon as a suspect in the shooting.

“They have to understand that there’s nothing that distinguishes them from a bad guy to a police officer,” Blair said.

Graham’s instructors teach people to protect themselves from being mistakenly shot by police. If a person drew their weapon to defend themselves, they should loudly communicate to police that they are trying to help and make sure police are aware of their presence to avoid surprising them. People should also holster their weapons and make their hands visible, Graham said.

“You know (law enforcement) are coming, so you need to be prepared for that second part, too,” he said.

Officials have not said whether Hurley announced himself to arriving officers or how he reacted to their arrival.

Graham said he sees a spike in the number of people interested in his training after any major active shooter event.

“A really difficult situation”
Active shooters have become more common and more deadly over the past two decades, FBI data shows. Between 2000 and 2004, the FBI recorded an average of seven active shooter situations a year. Between 2015 and 2019, the average was 26 a year.

In the first five years of the study’s two-decade timeframe, an average of 22 people were killed by active shooters every year. By the last five years, the average had grown to 91 killings every year.

Data compiled by the FBI shows that civilians successfully stopping an active shooter is extremely rare. Of 345 active shooters recorded between 2000 and 2019, four were killed by civilians. The vast majority were killed or arrested by police.

Police don’t usually undergo extensive training about identifying a “good guy with a gun” outside of running through some scenarios in weapons training that involve armed people who are not suspects, said Paul Taylor, a former police officer and assistant professor at the University of Colorado Denver who studies police decision-making.

“It’s not something that’s really stressed or talked about,” Taylor said. “It’s acknowledged that it could happen.”

The dispatch information officers receive will also greatly influence how they handle a situation, he said.

“You roll up on scene and someone is pointing a gun at someone and how much time are you going to take before you take action?” Taylor said. “It’s a really difficult situation.”

David Lane, a Denver civil rights attorney, said officers should issue a warning to the armed person to drop their gun before opening fire. If the person doesn’t comply and police reasonably saw him as a threat, prosecutors will see the shooting as justified, he said.

It’s unclear whether police issued commands to Hurley or what dispatch information the officer who shot Hurley had received.

The Jefferson County 911 communications center denied a public records request by The Denver Post for audio recordings of 911 calls and dispatch communications related to the Olde Town Arvada shooting, citing the ongoing investigation.

Arvada police officers are not equipped with body cameras. Investigators on Friday released video from a security camera showing the gunman ambush Officer Gordon Beesley, but did not release any video connected to Hurley’s actions or death.

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Titty Meat 08:18 PM 07-20-2021
You might be surprised when that fight or flight kicks in. I hid the time I experienced it
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ThyKingdomCome15 08:28 PM 07-20-2021
Don't get shot.
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BWillie 08:36 PM 07-20-2021
I'm really surprised casinos don't get shot up more. Seems like such easy targets. Something I've always thought about. When I'm sitting in the poker room, I'm kind of a sitting duck.
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Jewish Rabbi 08:37 PM 07-20-2021
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
You might be surprised when that fight or flight kicks in. I hid the time I experienced it
Bill I feel like itís story time for this comment
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