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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>WR Room?
Couch-Potato 11:38 AM 05-02-2022
Chiefs have a competitive WR room, I'm curious what you guys think...

Are we done, or will we add a vet FA?
What's the WR depth chart look like this year?
What roles will these guys play?
What do you expect next year's WR depth chart to look like?
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Couch-Potato 09:45 AM 05-16-2022
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
which tells me that you want NAMES, and aren't really paying attention.
If they still have some juice left in the tank, yeah sure, bring me a big name WR. I see no issues with that.
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Rasputin 11:50 AM 05-16-2022
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
If they still have some juice left in the tank, yeah sure, bring me a big name WR. I see no issues with that.

Right now we are going with who we got and I'm ok with that. Patrick will be forced to spread the ball around and doing that and our RBs involved we are going be a potent offense. The biggest need is still the D line. Get a DT or Edge Rusher but another lineman would be great and would help our rookie DBs if we can get pressure on the quarterback.
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Stryker 05:33 PM 05-16-2022
I'm on the side of let's see how training camp goes and see what Reid can do with what he has before we go bonkers thinking we need another WR. Who knows, we ALL might just be surprised in what we have. I personally, would rather look for maybe 2 more veteran defensive players. Now that Ingram is off the table, my question is who is out there that we can possibly get? Who do you like? Just my .02
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Couch-Potato 07:54 PM 05-16-2022
Originally Posted by Stryker:
I'm on the side of let's see how training camp goes and see what Reid can do with what he has before we go bonkers thinking we need another WR. Who knows, we ALL might just be surprised in what we have. I personally, would rather look for maybe 2 more veteran defensive players. Now that Ingram is off the table, my question is who is out there that we can possibly get? Who do you like? Just my .02
Agreed, I wouldn't look in to adding wr until at least 1/3rd way through the season, grab some DL vets now and see if one of these WRs is still be sitting around later like OBJ.
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BossChief 11:32 PM 05-16-2022
Hardman should come in focused on taking the next step in his career. He was pretty good down the stretch last year. It seemed to start clicking for him. He was staying with plays more and providing impact as a traditional WR instead of strictly a gadget guy.

Skyy Moore is a great problem to have. The coaches probably want to involve Juju, Hardman and MVS in the game plan and ease Skyy into the offense, but that’s NOT going to happen. Mark my words, Skyy Moore will play early and often. By mid season he will be Pats favorite WR and will get a lot of targets. I can literally see one of the WRs requesting a trade at the deadline because Skyy is going to get a lot of action.

*Hot take* Veach trades Hardman for Robert Quinn or is part of a trade for another high end DE before camp breaks.

Juju is healthy and when he’s been healthy and paired with a healthy and effective QB, he’s been very productive and dependable. Big catch radius and trustworthy hands. His 1400 yard season wasn’t a fluke and his contract is all incentives based on playing time and catches. He has lots of motivation.

MVS is a deep threat and mid range experienced WR. I haven’t watched him
Much, but he may end up losing snaps in a crowded and talented WR room.

Justyn Ross is so intriguing. Like others have mentioned ad naseum…he was the best WR in the room of stacked WRs at Clemson and he has played after his surgery. His immediate issue last year was the foot that limited him and he looks very healthy out there from what I’ve been able to find. It’s possible that he’s the steal of UDFA.

Skyy
Juju
Hardman
MVS
Ross

Mahomes has thrived when he’s been given just 2 WRs that could provide impact. This group is 4 (maybe 5) deep and pairing them with Kelce is going to be fun to watch.
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Rasputin 03:35 AM 05-17-2022
*Hot take* Veach trades Hardman for Robert Quinn or is part of a trade for another high end DE before camp breaks.


I can see why you have a boner for Robert Quinn (32) last year 18.5 sacks.

However you are wishful thinking just to get rid of Hardman. That they would trade the only WR that knows the play book and can and is going to start running Tyreek Hills routes. Just because we got a bunch of Hardman haters don't mean he is going get traded. Blanch can figure out a trade but I guarantee not Hardman and if Skyy is that much better than Hardman before trade deadline , Hardman want's other ring so he would be foolish ask for a trade. Hardman is a weapon we need him out the gates especially and I think Mahomes is going go to him more just because of familiarity and likes to throw it deep. He is a deep threat and a threat any time he touches the ball to take it to the house. Without Tyreek taking all the balls thrown to him this is Hardmans big opportunity to shine. He either will or he will blow it. I know Skyy will be in the mix and they won't be able to keep him off the field but I think Marquez will be sitting more than the other three and yes Ross is intriguing. If he can take hits when tackled then he may very well see a lot of playing time but they may be more cautionary with him for a while.

Other than your *Hot Take* I agree with mostly everything I can't argue nothing else but that trade would be whack :-)
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DJ's left nut 08:43 AM 05-17-2022
Yeah, I just can't see them moving on from Hardman.

Like I said, the WR room is presently 4 guys then wild-cards and/or a bag of dicks, depending on how generous you're feeling.

You move Hardman out of here and you're going to struggle to run 11 personnel as often as you'd if for no other reason than stamina.

I think people forget that one of the most dangerous things Hill brought to the table was that he simply never got tired. He could go out there and run 90% of the snaps at full tilt. And he could run all over the formation. Or run a deep route then another deep route then ANOTHER deep route.

Mere mortals can't do that. They will absolutely need Hardman here so they can run a viable 4 man rotation for their 3 'starters' in 11 personnel groups.
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kccrow 02:01 PM 05-17-2022
Yeah, I'm not a buyer on the trade for Quinn stuff either but I guess you never know.

I'd think the Bears want some type of pass rush. Trevis Gipson started to come on last year and they picked up Al-Quadin Muhammad as a nice rotational player in the offseason, but they have nobody else. They can't roll into the season with only those two as having any sort of proven production or they'll be in worse shape than the Chiefs are.

There might be some guys the Chiefs can pry away from other clubs but I sincerely doubt that Quinn is one of them.

As for trading Hardman, yeah, I could see it happening. Not that it will or should.
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Iconic 02:41 PM 05-17-2022
I'd honestly be okay with trading Hardman, hell I'd welcome it.

There isn't a chance in hell he's getting a second contract here. Might as well get something out of the investment while the market is sizzling hot for WRs.
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Rasputin 04:06 PM 05-17-2022
Originally Posted by Iconic:
I'd honestly be okay with trading Hardman, hell I'd welcome it.

There isn't a chance in hell he's getting a second contract here. Might as well get something out of the investment while the market is sizzling hot for WRs.

Give up our biggest deep threat and the only returning WR that knows the play book? Fuck that. We are going rely a lot on Hardman especially first quarter of the season when the others are getting use to the new team and timing with Mahomes. I fucking don't get the hate for him wasn't his fault for being drafted at that slot. He has improved a lot each year and can break 1000 yards this year. Give up a proven weapon because you hate him for being drafted higher than he should have. He has to prove his worth to the Chiefs to get a second contract so he sure is going work hard to get that or they will let him walk at the end of the season. If we win a Super Bowl and he catches a touchdown that wins the game are you still going hate him? He has made clutch plays but 85% of balls were thrown to Tyreek or Kelce kinda hard make an impact if not getting the ball. Mahome even said he wants to spread ball around instead of targeting two guys.

Hardman is going have stellar season and people will eat crow.

Trade Hardman what do we get in return because you are going give up a void at WR and what if Ross plays and gets hurt Skyy will be better than Hardman but until then Hardman has a place on the field zooming down field to catch deep balls or his jet sweep. He can go the distance in a flash how is that going be replaced by trading him? Had Mahomes thrown him the ball instead of to Tyreek we could have been SB winners. Tyreek dropped the ball 13 times second most in the NFL and several tipped for an interception and in overtime he couldn't keep the bigger defenders from intercepting the ball. That's not what i want to see in the "best" WR or most paid WR.

From what I've seen Hardman cut mistakes drastically last year but haters are going to hate.
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duncan_idaho 06:40 PM 05-17-2022
Hardmanís ability to stretch the field horizontally will be valuable to KC. Hill could stretch it both directions by himself, really.

But with Valdes-Scantling and Hardman, KC can present a receiving group that forces defenses to stay deep while also creating horizontal space.
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Chris Meck 06:42 PM 05-17-2022
I'm really glad some of you guys are not in charge.
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Stryker 08:01 PM 05-17-2022
Why even talk of trading Hardman? That is not an issue at all. To me, the real issue is solidifying the "D" with a vet or two. Hardman isn't going anywhere and that would be stupid to get rid of him this season. SMH! Look to the "D" needs currently and hope for some June 1st cuts by other teams. We need to continue to solidify the defense this off season. A strong defense will lessen the need for more (no pun intended) WR needs.
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Couch-Potato 09:07 PM 05-17-2022
I agree that Mecole could be moved. His numbers are pedestrian, other football players are fully capable of learning our playbook, and if we can sell a team on his speed then kudos to them for taking a flier because we have zero intention of signing him after this year.

MVS is the exact same player as Mecole, but he's 6'4 and has more individual success in the league. Moving on from Mecole would continue our trend of getting bigger and more physical on both sides of the ball.

For Robert Quinn? Awesome, let's do it! I'm not sure how feasible that is, but I'd be happier with that trade and then adding one of the big-name FA WRs that bring more upside instead of rolling with what we have.
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BossChief 12:51 AM 05-18-2022
The only way I could see them moving Hardman is in a trade for a younger starting quality DE. I think Mecole is an ascending player, but this is most likely his last year here and if we can get value from him, I’d do it. Maybe Hardman and a pick for Rashaan Gary, or Josh Allen.

I’d give it a 30% chance of happening. Max. But it’s fun to think about.
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