Originally Posted by Hammock Parties: Watch the video. It's a total bullshit edit of the original scene designed to pander to girls.
I did. Hence, the "white-hot hate". You have to understand; this isn't fun for me. Watching SW tank and suck is not like watching PMII come riding on to the field of battle, laying waste to every dumbassed comment, theory, and idiotic statement ever made about "risky" 1st round QB's and team-building from the O-line outwards, it's a shameful disgrace to a once-brilliant mans' legacy that has endured every single test that time could throw at it.
When I was a young youngster, I was a veracious reader of the classic Greek heroes and mythology literature. Within those works lies the foundation of what Lucas tapped in to, and what so many children like myself and for years to come would appreciate, learn from, and revel in; classic heroes doing classic things( adventures, feats of honor, courage, chivalry, and valor etc. ).
Works that stood for thousands of years.
So when George tapped in to that and combined it with my other great youngster passion, the stars and heavens( astronomy ), it was like hitting the children's developmental jackpot! I and millions of other young boys and girls were transformed in to instant, life-long fans. And the reason it stayed with us was not just an adult's sentimental reflection on childhood, but because like the classic tales, Star Wars was something that could remind us from time to time to regard and keep under guard/protect our better selves, the "hero" we all set out to be when we began our further journey in to life.
So in my eyes, Star Wars will never be antiquated because like it's classical predecessors, it stood the test of time. It's something that young parents of my generation enjoyed taking their own children to see in the late 1990's when they re-released prior to commencing the Prequels. And many other parents before and after that who shared the movies with their kids on VHS, Laser Disc, and finally DVD/Blue Ray.
So for Disney to turn SW in to a "trend", in to the "latest thing/ideology" is what I find TRULY insulting. Not even the bad scripts, weak stories, shitty directors, flat characters, and fuck all else offend me the same way THAT does. It's like turning Medusa in to a "poor, misunderstood strong woman who was wronged by a male God-figure for her beauty and independent ways".
IT'S RIDICULOUS.
And I refuse to monetarily support such nonsense. [Reply]
Just an small sample from a younger generation Star Wars Fan.
I was talking to my girlfriends boy last night. She has a 16 year old girl and the boy is 13. The 16 year old girl cares nothing about Star Wars that she says is stupid space movie.
The 13 year old boy was an avid Star Wars fan. Loves the Originals and made sure we went to every opening day with the new Star Wars Movies.
I asked him are you excited for the next Star Wars Film. His words verbatim. I really don't care about Star Wars anymore. I laugh and ask him why. I get the typical teenage response I Don't Know. I ask him if it was because The Last Jedi. Short teenage response yeah that movie really wasn't very good but its okay because the Marvel films are awesome. Then he goes on to talk about all the new Marvel movies coming out and how we have to pre order tickets.
When you piss on the hardcore fans like me. Try to court fans that are never going to be interested in "Stupid Space Movie". Then top it all off by just making a bad movie when there is so many great movies and worlds to explore now. "Marvel"
You are going to fail. There is just to many better options. It is extremely sad because if they would have just followed the books. This story could have been amazing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Just an small sample from a younger generation Star Wars Fan.
I was talking to my girlfriends boy last night. She has a 16 year old girl and the boy is 13. The 16 year old girl cares nothing about Star Wars that she says is stupid space movie.
The 13 year old boy was an avid Star Wars fan. Loves the Originals and made sure we went to every opening day with the new Star Wars Movies.
I asked him are you excited for the next Star Wars Film. His words verbatim. I really don't care about Star Wars anymore. I laugh and ask him why. I get the typical teenage response I Don't Know. I ask him if it was because The Last Jedi. Short teenage response yeah that movie really wasn't very good but its okay because the Marvel films are awesome. Then he goes on to talk about all the new Marvel movies coming out and how we have to pre order tickets.
When you piss on the hardcore fans like me. Try to court fans that are never going to be interested in "Stupid Space Movie". Then top it all off by just making a bad movie when there is so many great movies and worlds to explore now. "Marvel"
You are going to fail. There is just to many better options. It is extremely sad because if they would have just followed the books. This story could have been amazing.
Movies based on the Thrawn trilogy would have been amazing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
When you piss on the hardcore fans like me.
You are going to fail. There is just to many better options.
Thing is, they didn't.
Not at the box office.
Not by the critics.
You can whine all you want but Disney is still cashing out and I'm guessing not only is IX going to do VERY well, it's going to set up X-XII and anticipation is going to be extremely high. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Thing is, they didn't.
Not at the box office.
Not by the critics.
You can whine all you want but Disney is still cashing out and I'm guessing not only is IX going to do VERY well, it's going to set up X-XII and anticipation is going to be extremely high.
We will see once the movie gets closer and trailers come out. Kind of hard to for sure set expectations when we know nothing about the next movie yet.
However, Solo did fail at the box office based on what they were expecting. (Which is kind of sad since Solo wasn't really that bad of a movie. If it had came out before The Last Jedi it would have dominated the box office)
I really don't care what critics say. User reviews tell a different story.
My guess is movie IX has the lowest box office of this trilogy. Also toy sales will continue to go down. It is all about Marvel with kids now. I pray Disney doesn't screw that Franchise up like they destroyed Star Wars. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Thing is, they didn't.
Not at the box office.
Not by the critics.
You can whine all you want but Disney is still cashing out and I'm guessing not only is IX going to do VERY well, it's going to set up X-XII and anticipation is going to be extremely high.
Let me give you the very quick breakdown of Disney's foray in to SW from a pop culture and critical perspective:
Epi 7
Fans( initial ): Yay! New SW movie! Gotta' go see it! / Super Awesome! Glad I came! Totally redeemed crappy prequels!
Fans( passage of time) : This really wasn't that great, characters kinda' weak, but decent set-up for next movie.
Box Office: $$$$$
Critics: Good popcorn fare, soft reboot, nothing exceptional.
Epi 8
Fans( initial ): Okay, let's get down to work! Rubber meets the road here, please kick our asses! / Fan 1: Okay, not what I expected, but that's good! Really unique and different take on SW, can't wait to see where this goes next! / Fan 2: Are you kidding me with this shit?!?!? Off to the Internet I go to RAGE!
Fans( passage of time ): Fan 1: I'm sticking to my initial assessment and will not be swayed by the thousands and thousands and thousands of fans who now hate this movie!
Fan 2: I have successfully RAGED on the Internet and have explained, in GREAT and painstaking detail to the fans, of why this movie sucks donkey shit, how Disney has betrayed us all and is killing SW, and how we will combat this atrocity!
Fan 3( formerly a Fan 1 ): I number in the mega-thousands and have seen the light of the Great and Wise Fan 2, and I too shall join in the fight of defeating this Evil Empire! I have overcompensated greatly in my desire to see Disney continue a great SW legacy, and will now atone for my blind, fanboi shame!
Box Office: $$$
Critics( initial ): This was the greatest SW evah! Completely subverted my expectations! Yeah, there was some cheesy stuff and Rose was not the greatest, but the way Luke Skywalker subverted my expectations was off the wall BOSS!
Critics( passage of time ): Can 70% of us have a re-do, please? Thx!
Epi 9
Fans( initial ): Fan 1 @ 25%: Still in it brah, can't WAIT to pre-order my ticket!( totally unnecessary ).
Fan 2 @ 75%: Not a chance in hell am I supporting this garbage. Fuck you JJ, KK, and MMouse right in your bleeding eyeballs!
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate:
I did. Hence, the "white-hot hate". You have to understand; this isn't fun for me. Watching SW tank and suck is not like watching PMII come riding on to the field of battle, laying waste to every dumbassed comment, theory, and idiotic statement ever made about "risky" 1st round QB's and team-building from the O-line outwards, it's a shameful disgrace to a once-brilliant mans' legacy that has endured every single test that time could throw at it.
When I was a young youngster, I was a veracious reader of the classic Greek heroes and mythology literature. Within those works lies the foundation of what Lucas tapped in to, and what so many children like myself and for years to come would appreciate, learn from, and revel in; classic heroes doing classic things( adventures, feats of honor, courage, chivalry, and valor etc. ).
Works that stood for thousands of years.
So when George tapped in to that and combined it with my other great youngster passion, the stars and heavens( astronomy ), it was like hitting the children's developmental jackpot! I and millions of other young boys and girls were transformed in to instant, life-long fans. And the reason it stayed with us was not just an adult's sentimental reflection on childhood, but because like the classic tales, Star Wars was something that could remind us from time to time to regard and keep under guard/protect our better selves, the "hero" we all set out to be when we began our further journey in to life.
So in my eyes, Star Wars will never be antiquated because like it's classical predecessors, it stood the test of time. It's something that young parents of my generation enjoyed taking their own children to see in the late 1990's when they re-released prior to commencing the Prequels. And many other parents before and after that who shared the movies with their kids on VHS, Laser Disc, and finally DVD/Blue Ray.
So for Disney to turn SW in to a "trend", in to the "latest thing/ideology" is what I find TRULY insulting. Not even the bad scripts, weak stories, shitty directors, flat characters, and **** all else offend me the same way THAT does. It's like turning Medusa in to a "poor, misunderstood strong woman who was wronged by a male God-figure for her beauty and independent ways".
IT'S RIDICULOUS.
And I refuse to monetarily support such nonsense.
100% correct.
Amazing post, sir.
Star Wars was updated Greek and medieval mythology.
But the SJW agenda hates the Western classics. [Reply]
Sorry to keep bringing up the Old Republic cut scene video - but that vid is a perfect example of how you can give the fans what they want while empowering women in a way Star Wars never has without jamming some SJW agenda down the throats of fans that couldn't care less about it to begin with. Star Wars fans just want an epic space opera to revel in, not some futuristic grrrrl power movie while all the men are either portrayed as cucks, bumbling fools, or straight up incompetent. The video and meme Clay posted shows that KK is fully vested in the SJW horseshit, and it will also be why she will forever be viewed as a mistake and failure for Star Wars and Disney in spite of how much money the movies under her watch bring in. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
Critics didn't recant on their assessment.
Your post is flawed.
Well of course they didn't; they would lose any and all credibility if they did. But I can damned sure guarantee you a great portion of them wish they could! :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
You are living in a fantasy world where everyone hates the movie as much as you do.
It is not so.
You're talking to the man who predicted:
a) A Chiefs playoff loss to Pittsburgh before even one down of regular season football was played in 2016, and
b) A Trump Presidency on the day he walked down the escalators at Trump Tower to announce his candidacy, and no I never once backed down from my initial prediction.
So to put it bluntly; I will be sure to wave "hello" to Kylo and Rey waiting outside the soup kitchen for their Daily Bread as I cruise swiftly by in my 2018 SS of Doom. [Reply]
