Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Fat Elvis:
Nope. If you refuse the vaccine, and then think you need to go to the hospital due to contracting Covid, you should be given a discount coupon to the local feedlot for your dose of Ivermectin and told to GTFO. Patients who took care of themselves and legitimately need medical care are getting denied because these mouth breathing morons are overrunning our hospitals.
I was on a call this morning and bedspace all across the state is a literal minute by minute opening in this part of the country. One hospital locally had to transfer a patient to WI recently due to a lack of bedspace.
Originally Posted by Fat Elvis:
Nope. If you refuse the vaccine, and then think you need to go to the hospital due to contracting Covid, you should be given a discount coupon to the local feedlot for your dose of Ivermectin and told to GTFO. Patients who took care of themselves and legitimately need medical care are getting denied because these mouth breathing morons are overrunning our hospitals.
I was on a call this morning and bedspace all across the state is a literal minute by minute opening in this part of the country. One hospital locally had to transfer a patient to WI recently due to a lack of bedspace.
These asshats are literally killing other people.
I'll play this game.
If you are obese or have any condition that you did (poor eating habits, not exercising, tobacco, drugs, etc) that puts you at great risk with COVID then please do not go to the hospital if you contract it.
Additionally, if you choose to drive and get into a serious accident then do not go to the hospital. If you ride your bike or participate in any dangerous physical activity then sorry, but do not go to the hospital. [Reply]
Originally Posted by emaw1979: I'll play this game.
If you are obese or have any condition that you did (poor eating habits, not exercising, tobacco, drugs, etc) that puts you at great risk with COVID then please do not go to the hospital if you contract it.
Additionally, if you choose to drive and get into a serious accident then do not go to the hospital. If you ride your bike or participate in any dangerous physical activity then sorry, but do not go to the hospital.
Originally Posted by emaw1979:
I'll play this game.
If you are obese or have any condition that you did (poor eating habits, not exercising, tobacco, drugs, etc) that puts you at great risk with COVID then please do not go to the hospital if you contract it.
Additionally, if you choose to drive and get into a serious accident then do not go to the hospital. If you ride your bike or participate in any dangerous physical activity then sorry, but do not go to the hospital.
In my own personal slice of hell known as NW Missouri, our hospitalizations are lower than they've been since June. Just 21 in our hospital system as of this morning. Cases and positivity rate continue to decline.
Delta hit us early, compared to the rest of the country. Took 2-3 months, but we appear to be through the worst of it as a region. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Fat Elvis:
Nope. If you refuse the vaccine, and then think you need to go to the hospital due to contracting Covid, you should be given a discount coupon to the local feedlot for your dose of Ivermectin and told to GTFO. Patients who took care of themselves and legitimately need medical care are getting denied because these mouth breathing morons are overrunning our hospitals.
I was on a call this morning and bedspace all across the state is a literal minute by minute opening in this part of the country. One hospital locally had to transfer a patient to WI recently due to a lack of bedspace.
These asshats are literally killing other people.
What percentage are you seeing as the percentage of unvaccinated versus vaccinated admitted patients? It would be nice if they'd update this website:
A free vaccine is available. Almost all who get it avoid serious illness.
Delta is bad, but what if Echo is worse?
And it can all be stopped. It's needless.
Even if you feel like YOU will be fine, what about everyone else you come in contact with? Just get the damned shots.
And even IF you are adamant about your right to NOT get the shot and only fat people die and whatever, what about the space at the hospital for the people with other unrelated needs? The car accident victims? The unpreventable, unknowable things that happen to people and they need healthcare? It's just madness. Madness.
The idea that somehow all of the world's governments, who can't agree on a single thing, and some who are literally at war with each other have all conspired to control the entire world's population is nuts. Maybe the simpler explanation is that the pandemic is real and if everyone would get the damned shots we could put a lid on this thing.
It doesn't matter where it came from. It doesn't matter who you voted for in the election. It doesn't matter who is most likely to get sick. It's the fact that there's no damned room in the ICU's for ANYONE no matter what puts them there.
Just get the damned shots. Before the next variant comes along that's even worse.
Originally Posted by stevieray:
78% of people who die from this flu are OVERWEIGHT.
But hey, you'll keep circle jerking to your sociopathic "compassion"
WOW
What about the other 22%?
I would like to see this definition of "overweight". Were they 10 lbs, 20 lbs, etc.
I am guessing you are saying that those with "underlying" health conditions are the real problem.
The point is no matter how someone tries to justify their position in ways like this that those people are still just as dead and that is what the shame is actually about not that these people are "not as healthy as possible or me".
People with this type of stance need to get over themselves and their self-righteous position.
People with attitudes such as this are the ones that are truly sad and is one of the real shames of our society. [Reply]
