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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Donger 09:28 AM 12-17-2020
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
I know all about that. You are correct. But we also know people who are counted as Covid dead because they tested positive on PCR test. Many states have been doing death certificate matching, looking for more to add as Covid casualties.
Prove that.
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MahomesMagic 09:30 AM 12-17-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Prove that.
PHOENIX – Arizona health authorities reported 172 new coronavirus deaths Thursday, the most in a single day, although 78 of them were identified through death certificate matching.

Arizona Department of Health Services also reported 2,525 new cases, bringing the state’s documented totals to 170,798 COVID-19 infections and 3,626 fatalities.

https://ktar.com/story/3448321/arizo...cate-matching/
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MahomesMagic 09:31 AM 12-17-2020
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
Dinger hasn't left his house in 4 months
Wait till he learns there are other viruses way more scary than this one out there!
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Donger 09:33 AM 12-17-2020
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
PHOENIX – Arizona health authorities reported 172 new coronavirus deaths Thursday, the most in a single day, although 78 of them were identified through death certificate matching.

Arizona Department of Health Services also reported 2,525 new cases, bringing the state’s documented totals to 170,798 COVID-19 infections and 3,626 fatalities.

https://ktar.com/story/3448321/arizo...cate-matching/
Thanks. And how many of the 300,000 dead do you think that applies to?
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MahomesMagic 09:34 AM 12-17-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Thanks. And how many of the 300,000 dead do you think that applies to?
I have no idea.

@RIHEALTH explains how a sprained ankle is counted as a Covid hospitalization in Rhode Island. The number of hospitalizations is used to justify keeping business closed, forbidding people to work, disallowing children from attending school, & extending phase 1 of the shutdown. pic.twitter.com/CUcV88OREi

— PryTo (@PryTo5) May 18, 2020

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Marcellus 09:37 AM 12-17-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
Hospitalizations follow increases in positive cases and deaths follow hospitalizations.

This has been the trend all along.
Its not remotely close to linear trend over time though.
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BigRedChief 09:37 AM 12-17-2020
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Conspiracy guy?

You sound moronic. You're just babbling instead of processing information.
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Debating with tinfoil hats is a fruitless exercise.
Yep. :-)
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O.city 09:41 AM 12-17-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Its not remotely close to linear trend over time though.
I'd hope not.

But I woudl think we weren't catching nearly as many infections early as we are now so we don't have the full picture.
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Donger 09:43 AM 12-17-2020
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
I have no idea.
That's odd. But I suppose when FUD is your objective, that helps.
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Marcellus 09:44 AM 12-17-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
I'd hope not.

But I woudl think we weren't catching nearly as many infections early as we are now so we don't have the full picture.
On a related note have you seen the commercial for Kansas telling everyone to get tested?

But you cant get a test around here unless you have symptoms. Pretty odd.
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MahomesMagic 09:45 AM 12-17-2020
Death certificate data: COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death

We set out to determine how many COVID-19 deaths where COVID-19 is the underlying cause and when COVID-19 is not considered as the underlying cause using Public Health England (PHE) weekly reports on excess mortality (published since the week ending 3 July 2020).

This allowed us to address the question of whether COVID-19 is the underlying cause of death when it appears on the death certificate.

What did we find

While we found that roughly one in thirteen (7.8%) deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate did not have the disease as the underlying cause of death, this proportion has risen substantially to 29% (nearly a third) for the last eight weeks of reporting.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/death-...ause-of-death/


This is coming out of Oxford, not lightweight people.

Daniel Howdon is a Senior Research Fellow in Health Economics, Leeds Institute of Health Sciences. Bio here

Jason Oke is a Senior Statistician at the Nuffield Department of Primary Care Health Sciences and Module Coordinator for Statistical Computing with R and Stata (EBHC Med Stats), and Introduction to Statistics for Health Care Research (EBHC), as part of the Evidence-Based Health Care Programme.

Carl Heneghan is Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine, Director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine and Director of Studies for the Evidence-Based Health Care Programme. (Full bio and disclosure statement here)
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Donger 09:45 AM 12-17-2020
Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball:
Dinger hasn't left his house in 4 months
Inaccurate, and I'm getting on a plane tomorrow.

But then, cases don't matter, right?

Except that every time we see increases in cases, we see increases in hospitalizations and deaths. Weird correlation, eh? Or is it causation?
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O.city 09:48 AM 12-17-2020
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Death certificate data: COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death

We set out to determine how many COVID-19 deaths where COVID-19 is the underlying cause and when COVID-19 is not considered as the underlying cause using Public Health England (PHE) weekly reports on excess mortality (published since the week ending 3 July 2020).

This allowed us to address the question of whether COVID-19 is the underlying cause of death when it appears on the death certificate.

What did we find

While we found that roughly one in thirteen (7.8%) deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate did not have the disease as the underlying cause of death, this proportion has risen substantially to 29% (nearly a third) for the last eight weeks of reporting.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/death-...ause-of-death/


This is coming out of Oxford, not lightweight people.

Daniel Howdon is a Senior Research Fellow in Health Economics, Leeds Institute of Health Sciences. Bio here

Jason Oke is a Senior Statistician at the Nuffield Department of Primary Care Health Sciences and Module Coordinator for Statistical Computing with R and Stata (EBHC Med Stats), and Introduction to Statistics for Health Care Research (EBHC), as part of the Evidence-Based Health Care Programme.

Carl Heneghan is Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine, Director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine and Director of Studies for the Evidence-Based Health Care Programme. (Full bio and disclosure statement here)
I'd be hesitant to say a MI happening when someone has Covid isn't a Covid death. Thats a tough situation to lay out TBH.
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Pasta Little Brioni 09:48 AM 12-17-2020
Nothing in your post is accurate
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O.city 09:49 AM 12-17-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
On a related note have you seen the commercial for Kansas telling everyone to get tested?

But you cant get a test around here unless you have symptoms. Pretty odd.
States are doing it all differently it seems.
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