Clark had 10.5 postseason sacks for the Chiefs over 4 seasons. I DON'T want him back, but I also have zero desire to shit on what he meant to the Chiefs during their postseason runs. [Reply]
Frank got a sack when it was 14-0 Texans, 34-24 KC then the one at the end of the game.
Saying he only collected sacks when the game was over is disingenuous.
And again using O.City's "we pay them so much and don't get what we're paying for" BS. I remind you that Chris Jones has only taken over a playoff game against a team with backups at OL.
It's a pretty weak argument not based on reality. Sammy had to be accounted for. So did Frank and Chris, who worked nicely together.
You're not getting Reggie White in FA every time. We all know you have to overpay to get players that time of year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Frank got a sack when it was 14-0 Texans, 34-24 KC then the one at the end of the game.
Saying he only collected sacks when the game was over is disingenuous.
And again using O.City's "we pay them so much and don't get what we're paying for" BS. I remind you that Chris Jones has only taken over a playoff game against a team with backups at OL.
It's a pretty weak argument not based on reality. Sammy had to be accounted for. So did Frank and Chris, who worked nicely together.
You're not getting Reggie White in FA every time. We all know you have to overpay to get players that time of year.
Yeah, I’d hope you get good production out of free agents vs a few plays
Chris Jones was the 2nd best defensive player on the field in the Super Bowl against SF - our best player by a wide margin. When you say "He's only taken over a playoff game against backups" you completely shoot any credibility to shit.
He was a MONSTER against SF. Orders of magnitude more important than anything Frank Clark ever did here. Yet again, YOU'RE the one now using sack totals as a crutch after years spent accusing others of doing so. Jones was also very good against Buffalo in the AFCCG and fairly good against TB but it was understandably lost to history. He was quite good against Buffalo the next year as well (and better than Clark against Cincy, that's for damn sure). Oh, and also our best defensive player against Jacksonville but since all you'll do is count sacks, you must've missed that as well.
Chris Jones has been better than Frank Clark in every single post-season they've ever played together. Chris Jones MADE Frank Clark.
And I'm supposed to sit here and listen to "weak argument not based on reality" from you when you go giving Clark and Watkins handjobs.
Originally Posted by O.city:
Yeah, I’d hope you get good production out of free agents vs a few plays
Novel ideal I know
Anthony Hitchens played probably the best game of his KC career against Cincy in the AFCCG when Mahomes shit the bed.
If Mahomes DOESN'T shit the bed, do we know have to conclude "Hitchens was worth it..."?
Had we signed Sorensen to a $18 million/season deal, did we then have to say "Hey, remember that Houston tackle? Worth it!"
This argument doesn't make any sense because there's no logical endpoint to it. Anything can be justified when it's all said and done. When Hitchens has a big pressure in the 49ers SB it necessarily follows - "Hey - he made a really nice play at a key time - WORTH IT!"
In what world is that a rational way to go about this? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
Watkins is the "all-in" signing you make when your generational QB is on a rookie contract.
Unsure we'll see another signing like it in this era for Patrick with the WR market the way it is.
We signed him before Mahomes had ever started a meaningful regular season game. Watkins at the start was all about giving Mahomes a stable of weapons. The re-signing was really about just trying to run it back and hope his health would hold up.
Definitely don't think that luxury piece is coming back. We may sign a #1 WR again, but there won't be any question about that status whereas Watkins was a bit more uncertain after having traveled from the Bills to the Rams that season. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
A sober-eyed and realistic perspective on what those players actually did during their time here.
Frank Clark is a lazy drunk who coasted for 90% of his time here. And in the post-season he was decent - generously - in half his games.
Houston and the SB in 2020. And no, he wasn't some game-wrecking force in those games either as badly as you people want it to be so. My god, re-watch that Houston game, the games was OVER when he was out there scooping up coverage sacks. And in the SF game you're sitting here talking about post-season sacks from Chris Jones without acknowledging that he was an ANIMAL in that game. Far far FAR better than Clark. I mean it wasn't close.
2020 -- Cleveland. And he was very good in this game. Weirdly, the only game he didn't get a post-season sack in but I digress. He was everywhere.
2021 -- Pittsburgh. Also didn't get a post-season sack but he was solid. Against Buffalo he was lousy and against Cincy he played arguably the worst game I've seen from a DL in the post-season against an absolute shitshow of an OL. "BUT PLAYOFF FRANK!!!!"
2022 -- Cincy. Probably the only game he's played in his entire "Playoff Frank" run where I think he was instrumental to the outcome. Really a good game and we needed everything we got from everyone.
It's just hilarious to me that going way back to the first 6 weeks of his slapdick drunken horseshit here we had the usual Clark ball-washers saying "You guys only care about sacks!!!" and when I would point out "Uh, no, sacks are oftentimes a happy accident - I want to see X, Y and Z from him and maybe the sacks will come..." And now it's "But look at all his post-season sacks!!!"
I never ever EVER said Clark can/should be judged by his sacks. I said that when you were using the lack of sacks as some sort of shield. I'll say that now when you're using the post-season sacks as a sword.
Frank Clark was a bad football player - not an overpaid one, not an overrated one, but a flat fucking BAD one - for the overwhelming majority of his career here.
:-) This is some highly concentrated Haterade. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Okay, team. New rule. Anybody can just do whatever the **** they want in the regular season. It doesn't matter, after all. You only have to show up in the playoffs and make a handful of big plays over a couple games.
So it has been decreed by Chiefs Kingdom that you are worth your mega millions contract if you just do that!
I care about championships. The regular season is just business as usual. "We're off to the next team". The Patriots had this mindset and it's why they were successful for 20 ****ing years. Chiefs fans should have that same mindset. The Chiefs organization already does. We are literally the new Patriots, minus the cheating bullshit. [Reply]
