Yes 55 47.41%

No 61 52.59%

Because I'd rather Mahomes learn and improve naturally instead of being forced to change due to a player having a glaring weakness that might get him killed.
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Yep, thank goodness too- Mahomes only threw for 50 TD's and over 5,000 yards drifting around.
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So... where is that line for you? What constitutes a "top" LT contract?
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What’s the glaring weakness though? He gets beat by speed rushers deeper? I mean I’m pretty sure if a speed rusher had to beat trent Williams deeper than his set he’d struggle too.

Mitch Schwartz talked about it a lot and how they have certain points and if the qb drops deeper than that, it’s on him.
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If you guys remember in 2020, Mahomes did the same thing and got beat up A lot for it
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Mahomes and Kelce are future HOFers and the Best at their position, but still don't make top money.

Why should Brown expect to be paid like the Best when he is clearly not?

If he won't take a "team friendly" deal to play with Mahomes and win championships- you tag him, then trade him next year for draft picks.
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Darrisaw was the 23rd pick. Why would we need a Mahomes like trade up to move up to 23 no matter where we were trading from?
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Fisher didn't have nowhere near the problems with speed rushers that Orlando does. That's why it wasn't such a big deal when Mahomes drifted back. It was a bad habit, but not something you were TOO worried about. Now if he drifts back, it is a big problem.
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Power rushers would drive Fisher straight back into Mahomes. Brown doesn’t give up ground to those guys as easily and his job against speed is to push them wide and allow Pat to step up.

You talk as if Fisher didn’t struggle to pass protect when he got beat many times…just in different ways.
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He’s fucking clueless.
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Here's the other part - left tackle is a premium position in the league. QB, LT, pass rusher....those are the positions you're going to have to pay. If we don't pony up for Brown (and I'm not necessarily advocating for that just yet), the alternative is to drop a first rounder on a left tackle once every four years or so. Is that a plan we'd be good with just to avoid being strapped to a player that isn't a sure-fire HoF'er but can be solid and fill his position?
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He’s the only LT of the last 5 years to be a quality and be a first rd pick drafted not in the top 15.

One time. In 5 years.

That’s called an outlier
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As mentioned before, the structure of it matters more than the price tag.

I wouldn't think twice, I'd just pay Brown Jr.

I don't really understand those who don't want to pay him. Where are we going to pour those extra dollars we would save? The truth of the matter is that tagging him and then letting him walk only creates a giant hole on the left side of the Oline when Pat is in his prime. Fuck, people bitched about paying Fisher. And OK lets say we tag him then let him walk we are going to be praying for a LT to fall in the draft? Thats way risky. And what would Veach have to do, pay someone who doesn't have the upside that brown does on the free market.

I mean Cam Robinson just signed a 3 year 54 Million dollar extension with Jacksonville. Thats the shit we would be looking for if we are stupid with Brown.

What I love about Brown is that he is driven to be the best, talks about wanting to be in the HOF, and winning Super Bowls. We can afford to pay the guy for the next 3-4 seasons with no problem. Just do it.
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Well if the center of the OL was suspect, if Fisher was liable to being bull rushed, and if Mahomes was great throwing off his back foot while drifting backwards, why was it really a "bad habit"?

I get that there are elite speed rushers out there that most LT's struggle with. But a speed rusher that gets a pretty clean bend around the edge is usually going to show up more quickly and be more likely to cause a fumble or an injury than a bull rush that pushes a tackle into the QB's lap, no?

And it is annoying to pay elite money for a LT who is more elite at run blocking than pass blocking.

I get the nervousness about trying to find a replacement. But it would seem like if KC is willing to open up the checkbook and make someone the highest paid LT (even if only briefly) they ought to be able to lure an LT to KC that has elite pass blocking skills.

On the other hand, if Brown is willing to settle for less than elite money, yea great sign him.

And I guess I would be more nervous about locking Brown up for a long time. If the headline figure is large, but KC has an out, that is also a different story.
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Don't pay him. For the love of god please don't pay him.
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