Originally Posted by Rams Fan:
I'd rather miss the tournament 2 years out of 10 if it means winning a title once or twice every 10 years (Villanova) than making it 10+ and not doing shit (Syracuse).
I'd rather not miss the tournament at all and make a half dozen final fours and win three titles (Kansas). [Reply]
Kansas and Arizona are the two teams that carry the choker banner the highest when it comes to tournament time.
Most recently, two years ago in a 34 pt loss to USC, as a #3 seed.
"Another way of looking at 2020-21: Self and Kansas had yet another disappointing finish where they underplayed their seed. A No. 3 seed clears the pathway to a Sweet 16, and instead it's a round of 32 exit. That's a frustrating March Madness trend KU fans know all too well. Self is in the Hall of Fame for guiding this program to the 2008 national title and 15 of the last 17 regular-season Big 12 titles. And yet, in the NCAA Tournament, Kansas has a slew of disappointing exits under Self."
Originally Posted by Rams Fan:
I'd rather miss the tournament 2 years out of 10 if it means winning a title once or twice every 10 years (Villanova) than making it 10+ and not doing shit (Syracuse).
You don't have to worry, you've missed the tournament twice and haven't won shit in 10 years. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Average seed for KU since 2000-2001 (no missed tournament appearances): 1.95
Average seed for UK since 2000-2001 (three missed tournament appearances): 3.19
And that isn't even counting the COVID year when KU finished on top of all the polls. The programs haven't been on the same level for literal decades now.
By what metric are you saying they're not on the same level?
They both have two titles during that time period. Kansas has 6 Final Fours vs Kentucky's 4 during that time.
Kentucky has 42 tournament wins over that time while Kansas has 40.
Kentucky, Kansas, and UNC historically are on their own in terms of continued dominance. Duke's been that same caliber with K and we'll see what happens after. UCLA is a blue blood but I wouldn't say their success has been as consistent as Kentucky/Kansas.
Kansas and Kentucky are in a league of their own because they've won throughout their history with multiple coaches. As has UNC but to a lesser extent. Duke had some success before K but no title.
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
I'd rather not miss the tournament at all and make a half dozen final fours and win three titles (Kansas).
You're seriously claiming the COVID year? :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
It's no more claiming anything than Nebraska "claiming" the title it won in football in 1997.
The silliness of trying to claim something where there is no H2H championship game aside, so, saying you've won 2 of the last 3 in basketball isn't claiming? [Reply]
Kentucky, Kansas, and UNC historically are on their own in terms of continued dominance. Duke's been that same caliber with K and we'll see what happens after. UCLA is a blue blood but I wouldn't say their success has been as consistent as Kentucky/Kansas.
Kansas and Kentucky are in a league of their own because they've won throughout their history with multiple coaches. As has UNC but to a lesser extent. Duke had some success before K but no title.
When you miss the tournament three times and are outside the top 25 four other times (being seeded 8-11 on four occasions), no, you're not anywhere near the same level as Kansas this millennium. Only one program (Duke) can remotely compare to KU's consistent success level since 2000 and it certainly isn't Kentucky. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
The silliness of trying to claim something where there is no H2H championship game aside, so, saying you've won 2 of the last 3 in basketball isn't claiming?
Are you suggesting Nebraska didn't win the football national title in 1997 after finishing #1 in the Coaches Poll? [Reply]
Originally Posted by rfaulk34:
The silliness of trying to claim something where there is no H2H championship game aside, so, saying you've won 2 of the last 3 in basketball isn't claiming?
It's a horrible argument. People want to bitch about the bubble in the NHL and NBA but at least they played their championship series to claim a title.
Arguing that Kansas won the 2020 title is as hilarious as UCF claiming the natty in football in 2017. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
When you miss the tournament three times and are outside the top 25 four other times (being seeded 8-11 on four occasions), no, you're not anywhere near the same level as Kansas this millennium. Only one program (Duke) can remotely compare to KU's consistent success level since 2000 and it certainly isn't Kentucky.
