Originally Posted by A Salt Weapon:
That was a really weird episode and not sure exactly why it was even made. Hopefully we can all move on from that which clearly was added to meet some sort of quota since zero part of that was in the game.
However it was cool to see the flour theory confirmed.
It was a change to the story that did not effect the outcome at all other than to tell another really great story and fleshed out a character we never got to from the games. It was awesome. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dmahurin:
It was a change to the story that did not effect the outcome at all other than to tell another really great story and fleshed out a character we never got to from the games. It was awesome.
I wouldn’t say awesome, don’t get me wrong it wasn’t bad, we had to skip forward on a few parts because the kids nor I needed to or even wanted to watch some of the scenes. It didn’t stay true to the game which is fine, however Bill’s compound was one of the better parts of the game.
I really did appreciate the prepper surviving the genocide followed by creating the compound.
Some good, some bad. [Reply]
Originally Posted by A Salt Weapon:
I wouldn’t say awesome, don’t get me wrong it wasn’t bad, we had to skip forward on a few parts because the kids nor I needed to or even wanted to watch some of the scenes. It didn’t stay true to the game which is fine, however Bill’s compound was one of the better parts of the game.
I really did appreciate the prepper surviving the genocide followed by creating the compound.
Some good, some bad.
I know nothing about the game or what story arcs were in it. So, I don't know what is true to the game and what has been inserted for this series.
I thought that this episode started out very interestingly. I like to see shows about how they deal with an apocalypse. That being said, I definitely could have done without the gay stuff, though. Had to skip through all of that. I really don't even care that it was two men who grew to love each other. Just don't need to see graphic stuff like that. :-) But, of course, Hollywood these days seems to like to insert that everywhere. :-)
That won't keep me from watching, though. So far, it's a good show. [Reply]
Originally Posted by A Salt Weapon:
That was a really weird episode and not sure exactly why it was even made. Hopefully we can all move on from that which clearly was added to meet some sort of quota since zero part of that was in the game.
However it was cool to see the flour theory confirmed.
i enjoyed hearing linda ronstadt sing at the end [Reply]
Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan:
Kids can watch violent deaths and murders but not dudes kissing?
Dudes kissing is fine, dudes naked going down on each other is a little unnecessary, same way they’d close their eyes if it was a guy and girl doing the same thing [Reply]
That was a great episode... definitely emotional. They did get what was needed and got the truck/weapons. It wasn't exactly like the game which was way more tragic. It did not bother me at all with the changes made. Great acting, and great story. Good to get more backstory on the outbreak and bill's life. Really excited for ep 4. [Reply]
If you watch the "Behind the Episode" for Ep 3, you'll see Druckmann mention when the show story would deviate from the video game story. He mentions when it's able to be clearly better - and in this instance, I think they nailed it. While there is a clear deviation from the game story (and as much as I would have liked to see BxE interaction as in the game), I thought it was so artfully done and really impactful. [Reply]
Originally Posted by SuperChief:
If you watch the "Behind the Episode" for Ep 3, you'll see Druckmann mention when the show story would deviate from the video game story. He mentions when it's able to be clearly better - and in this instance, I think they nailed it. While there is a clear deviation from the game story (and as much as I would have liked to see BxE interaction as in the game), I thought it was so artfully done and really impactful.
Agreed...this show seems like a directors cut to the video game in a sense. Loving it. [Reply]
It was a beautiful episode, but that's not Bill. You never meet Frank in the game, and Frank in the show was done extremely well, but Nick Offerman wasn't Bill from the video game. That's a whole new character they made, the other showrunner Mazin or whatever said in the behind the episode, at least implied that it was his decision to change it to that story. I wanted the badass Bill who cuts infected's heads off with a machete, who you race through a booby trapped town and school to find that car battery, that's not what was presented here, and I disagree with Druckmann and will say it wasn't better. IMO it was a Last of Us Part II type of desecration of a amazing character. Different, beautiful, but not better given the story, and it wasted the character of Bill. That was a beautiful gay couple in the middle of the apocalypse with a somber end, but I don't see how you quantify changing an entire character's story and say it's better. Small deviations like Tess and the clickers makes more sense, this doesn't. Just my opinion. If you presented that story as the backstory to Bill, but then gave us badass Bill after Frank's death, then that makes sense. Bill in the game wasn't willing to give his life if Frank wasn't in it, that wasn't Bill. It ticks me off as well because if that's the story they'll go with in the game, it eliminates Bill returning and becomes canon, even though in the game Bill is still alive and he isn't in the second game. But if you adapt a third part story, from a third part video game, it'd be hard to justify Bill not existing in the game and killing him. Any continuity with the show ended on that episode, the got the first two mostly right, but that episode was nothing like the game except for a few lines. This would be like to me if in the Uncharted movie that was recently released they killed off Mark Wahlberg and said it was better... but Sully doesn't die in the game and is an integral part to the story's progression, here in the show, Bill just becomes a house with alot of gear and a shower for Joel and Ellie. The fact that Ellie and Bill don't even get to have interactions with each other is a pretty glaring misstep. I know everyone online says this episode was great, which it was, but it wasn't the Last of Us. I'm glad we get back on track next week hopefully.
Originally Posted by Gravedigger:
I don't agree with the deviation.
Spoiler!
It was a beautiful episode, but that's not Bill. You never meet Frank in the game, and Frank in the show was done extremely well, but Nick Offerman wasn't Bill from the video game. That's a whole new character they made, the other showrunner Mazin or whatever said in the behind the episode, at least implied that it was his decision to change it to that story. I wanted the badass Bill who cuts infected's heads off with a machete, who you race through a booby trapped town and school to find that car battery, that's not what was presented here, and I disagree with Druckmann and will say it wasn't better. IMO it was a Last of Us Part II type of desecration of a amazing character. Different, beautiful, but not better given the story, and it wasted the character of Bill. That was a beautiful gay couple in the middle of the apocalypse with a somber end, but I don't see how you quantify changing an entire character's story and say it's better. Small deviations like Tess and the clickers makes more sense, this doesn't. Just my opinion. If you presented that story as the backstory to Bill, but then gave us badass Bill after Frank's death, then that makes sense. Bill in the game wasn't willing to give his life if Frank wasn't in it, that wasn't Bill. It ticks me off as well because if that's the story they'll go with in the game, it eliminates Bill returning and becomes canon, even though in the game Bill is still alive and he isn't in the second game. But if you adapt a third part story, from a third part video game, it'd be hard to justify Bill not existing in the game and killing him. Any continuity with the show ended on that episode, the got the first two mostly right, but that episode was nothing like the game except for a few lines. This would be like to me if in the Uncharted movie that was recently released they killed off Mark Wahlberg and said it was better... but Sully doesn't die in the game and is an integral part to the story's progression, here in the show, Bill just becomes a house with alot of gear and a shower for Joel and Ellie. The fact that Ellie and Bill don't even get to have interactions with each other is a pretty glaring misstep. I know everyone online says this episode was great, which it was, but it wasn't the Last of Us. I'm glad we get back on track next week hopefully.
Spoiler!
It was so much better in the show because Bill and Frank and the town are what Joel and Ellie and fighting for. The houses, the stores and the garden are a glimpse into what normalcy was. That's why Ellie was so wide-eyed and curious because she's never seen anything normal.
The most important part in the show is the letter. Bill's words give Joel purpose and the ability to open up to Ellie, little by little obviously. He's no longer to just dragging a kid along to a drop off point. Her journey is now his journey.
The game was just a stop in an awful town and let's be honest Bill isn't really a great person either. Honestly running around trying to find car parts in the TV show would have been a huge waste of time.
