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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>*** 2022 Mock Draft Megathread ***
duncan_idaho 12:45 PM 11-23-2021
Got a mock? Pop it in this thread. Include a picture if you want. Explain your reasoning if you want. Talk about your crushes... if you want.

See a good "pro" mock? Link it up in here and I'll add it to the OP.

Duncan's latest mock

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The Draft Network This mock seems to be the most accurate site right now, so I go with this one. I don't pay for it, so no trades here. The plan is for this to be my last mock. I'm going to do it differently, though. I'm running 3 scenarios, and eschewing the 7th round picks, which I would use on a big swings on athleticism and potential. Lotto tickets. James Houston IV is one of them. Note: I used PFF to simulate the trade action, then manually backed up in the 2 "trade" drafts to make selections. Laborious, but gives you best of both worlds, IMO. I think PFF's trade tool is the best, but its board is whack.

Draft slot: 29

Scenario 1: The Chiefs sit pat with their picks and don't make any moves at all. Seems the least likely, but hey...
1.29 | George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue.
1.30 | Boye Mafe, DE, Minnesota.
2.50 | George Pickens, WR, Georgia.
2.62 | Travis Jones, DT, UConn.
3.94 | Zyon McCollum, CB, Sam Houston State.
3.103(Comp for Poles) | Troy Andersen, LB, Montana State.
4.121 | Coby Bryant, CB, Cincinnati.
4.135 | Velus Jones, Jr., Tennessee

Scenario 1 Debrief:
So, sitting and waiting to see what comes to me was pretty successful here. The Chiefs FLOOD the defensive line with reinforcements, including at least 1 ready-made starter and two guys who should - at minimum - be in 50/50 rotations at their spots by year end. The Chiefs still get a big outside WR with tantalizing potential. They add some crazy athletic small-school guys, and a mid-round corner who just fits in the system, and a dynamo return man who might be more at WR.

This looks pretty good. Though I have a hard time believing Karlaftis just falls to 29...

Scenario 2: The Chiefs get aggressive and trade up. But for what? In this case, let's go wide receiver. In this run, Kansas City trades picks 29, 62, and a 2023 3rd to Houston for pick 13 and a 2023 4th, because they ARE as obsessed with a WR as people expect and are aggressive to go get him when the board falls right. They then trade BACK from 30 to 35 with the Jets, also including pick 94 in order to get 69 back. Then, last but not least, KC gets aggressive one more time and moves 103 and 121 for 85 from New England, leaving the Chiefs with 6 picks in the first four rounds.
1.13 | Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama.
2.35 | Cam Thomas, DE, San Diego State.
2.50 | Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor.
3.69 | Zachary Carter, DT, Florida.
3.85 | Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss.
4.135 | Jaylen Watson, CB, Washington State

Scenario 2 Debrief:
I'm not saying KC should do this or even that I think they will (more on that in a few minutes). I'm just saying, man, what will it look like if the Chiefs get aggressive a few times AND are doing the big move for a WR? In this scenario, KC obviously believes Williams is a game-changer at the NFL level and is taking a small 2022 hit to make 2023+ better. The defensive line still gets reinforced, but the reinforcements are all a shade worse than the sit-pat draft option. If you like Kingsley Enagbare or Josh PAscal more than Thomas, I get it and wouldn't quibble at one of those guys instead. Logan Hall, too. Pitre is such a screaming perfect fit for KC's D. Carter is a great physical talent you can dream about coaching up. Williams' utility is known and gives them a true RE option to pair against their higher-drafted bigger guy. Watson is a developmental corner.

I don't love it. I think Pitre makes the secondary a lot better and makes it easier to move on from Thornhill after 22. They have improved the defensive rotation, though one of the DEs would need to outperform expectations in Year 1 to get it to the same level as Scenario 1. In all, giving up the 2 extra selections in the top 4 rounds hurts the depth you can build, but I think it's more like what KC will do.

Scenario 3: Same movements as #2
1.13 | Jermaine Johnson II, DE, Florida State.
2.35 | Christian Watson, WR, North Dakota State.
2.50 | Sam Williams, DE, Ole Miss.
3.69 | Bryan Cook, S, Cincinnati.
3.85 | Martin Emerson, CB, Miss. State.
4.135 | Braxton Jones, T, Southern Utah

Scenario 3 Debrief:
This is the type of situation where I see KC paying the price to move up... if Johnson falls this far, I'd be shocked if KC isn't aggressively moving up. With this run, I take a risky but high upside WR in Watson (but you could sub in Pickens or Jahan Dotson or Tolbert or Metchie or Skyy Moore or really any of those tier 2 guys here if you prefer). The secondary reinforcements aren't flashy but are good fits.

In this one, I think the plan has to become adding either another safety or corner in free agency before the season. Ideally, it's someone who can handle the slot and let Sneed thriver on the outside. The DL gets a major boost and some potential star power in Johnson and Williams, and the OL gets another T option and potential long-term starter to develop.

Having completed the exercise and looking at the scenariors, I like the first one the most. But it really does come down to how the board breaks.

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Chris Meck 08:04 AM 12-24-2021
I'm not for a LB in round two; unless he's a cover backer that allows you to move on from Sorensen.

any other way you slice it, you're taking a second round pick to play two downs. Either benching Bolton or taking your #2 off the field on 3rd down. I'd be more for signing a SAM in FA as it's the least difficult spot to find a decent player at between the 3 LB spots-not including a nickel and dimebacker, which are more safety/hybrid roles.

So, I would absolutely pass on Harris in favor of a WR, CB, or physical safety type that could make us forget Sorensen exists.
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Chris Meck 08:17 AM 12-24-2021
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
The team desperately needs youth at the DE position.

The team desperately needs talent at the WR position.

The team desperately needs bodies throughout the back seven.

The team desperately needs options at tackle for 2023.

The team desperately needs more dynamic RBs.

We've got 1 1st and 1 2nd. We simply can't address every position. Free agency is going to have to band-aid some situations.

I'm not sure I agree we 'desperately need' all of this.

We DO desperately need to restock WR talent, no doubt. So that's high on the draft priority list.

Do we desperately need bodies through the back seven? Well, let's look. If you don't extend HB and you cut Sorensen, then you'll need to sign a FA S and probably draft a guy as well as bring back a Watts or something. So yeah. But even if you let Ward walk, you still have Sneed, Fenton, Hughes, and Baker. That's actually not bad at all-but I would still continue to hunt those mid to late round diamonds that Veach keeps finding. So, I'd say a S somewhere in that 3rd to 4th range is a good slot and a CB late.

We desperately need OT options? We have loads of options. Re-sign Brown, tag and keep Brown, tag and trade Brown and draft his replacement with that pick, there is FA, you could bring back Fisher if he's healthy. Niang has been fine for a rookie, it's just that Humphrey and Smith have been otherwordly good that make him the weak link. There's no reason to think he can't do it. You need a better swing tackle, that's about all, really.

Do we desperately need a more dynamic RB? We could use one, but realizing that again, that position will never be more than an afterthought as a RUNNER I wouldn't do so early. No earlier than say, 3rd or 4th round for what will be a rotational player and a handful to maybe two handfulls of carries a game.

And finally, I do agree we will desperately need a total rebuild of the DE position. We'll need to move on from Clark, and that leaves us with Kaindoh and Danna. I'd happily bring Engram back on a reasonable deal, sign an Ogbah level guy, and draft a Drake Jackson/Myjai Sanders type guy in round 1. That should give you solid starter level talent with the youngsters rotating in to keep everyone fresh.

So I see DE as priority one. WR as priority two. Safety as priority 3.
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kccrow 06:02 PM 12-24-2021
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
I'm not for a LB in round two; unless he's a cover backer that allows you to move on from Sorensen.

any other way you slice it, you're taking a second round pick to play two downs. Either benching Bolton or taking your #2 off the field on 3rd down. I'd be more for signing a SAM in FA as it's the least difficult spot to find a decent player at between the 3 LB spots-not including a nickel and dimebacker, which are more safety/hybrid roles.

So, I would absolutely pass on Harris in favor of a WR, CB, or physical safety type that could make us forget Sorensen exists.
Harris is primarily a coverage LB/WILL only type. He's much better out in space than he is filling at the LOS. He would be filling the Sorensen/Niemann role IMO.

Gay is our SAM and it's probably the best spot for him.

I do think this defense will move towards a model that is less reliant on safeties but just don't think they've had the LBs built up to make it happen to this point. It's slowly moving that way though. Veach has addressed LB repeatedly since he's come on board but not all of it has worked out.
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Chris Meck 08:19 AM 12-25-2021
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Harris is primarily a coverage LB/WILL only type. He's much better out in space than he is filling at the LOS. He would be filling the Sorensen/Niemann role IMO.

Gay is our SAM and it's probably the best spot for him.

I do think this defense will move towards a model that is less reliant on safeties but just don't think they've had the LBs built up to make it happen to this point. It's slowly moving that way though. Veach has addressed LB repeatedly since he's come on board but not all of it has worked out.
I've literally not seen Gay at SAM all season. He's always on the weak side, or the QB's left. I've seen Bolton there in base, when Hitchens is at MLB.

I've not seen Gay line up on the TE or strong side at all, whatsoever. Perhaps I've just missed it.

I know that LAST season, they were working him in at SAM as it's the simpler position schematically and he has the size to do it, but I've not seen him in that slot at all this year.
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duncan_idaho 10:01 PM 12-28-2021
Bump for a new mock from a new site in the OP.

I hit DE, WR, CB, and S with my first four picks and end up with some interesting pieces. Check it out. Let me know what you think, specifically, about:

1. WR Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama. I don't know a ton about him other than seeing him consistently in the top 75 on mock draft sites. I like that he's a receiver with some size who gives you that size without sacrificing deep speed or quickness or route running ability.

2. Isaiah Pola-Mao, S, USC. Intriguing guy. Good bloodlines, and he's a jumbo safety who can play in the box and match up well with TEs, but also has the ability to be solid in a deep role in cover 2 or 3.
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Chris Meck 08:46 AM 12-29-2021
KC
31.

David Ojabo
EDGE Michigan
KC
63.

Jahan Dotson
WR Penn State
KC
95.

Zonovan Knight
RB North Carolina State
KC
133.

Tykee Smith
S Georgia

I'd be thrilled. I tend not to run the mocks beyond 5 rounds.
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duncan_idaho 09:06 AM 12-29-2021
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
KC
31.

David Ojabo
EDGE Michigan
KC
63.

Jahan Dotson
WR Penn State
KC
95.

Zonovan Knight
RB North Carolina State
KC
133.

Tykee Smith
S Georgia

I'd be thrilled. I tend not to run the mocks beyond 5 rounds.

Like all those guys. Doubt Ojabo or Dotson last that long.

Smith looks like a Honey Badger/Buddha Baker clone to me.
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kccrow 08:34 PM 12-29-2021
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Like all those guys. Doubt Ojabo or Dotson last that long.

Smith looks like a Honey Badger/Buddha Baker clone to me.
Is Tykee Smith going to declare as a Jr after tearing his ACL and missing most of the season? I'm having my doubts but curious if someone has heard otherwise.
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duncan_idaho 09:41 AM 12-30-2021
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Is Tykee Smith going to declare as a Jr after tearing his ACL and missing most of the season? I'm having my doubts but curious if someone has heard otherwise.
Haven't seen for sure, but he's still in the top 100 of a lot of mocks and is older for his class, I think.
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Chris Meck 05:45 AM 12-31-2021
KC
31.
Drake Jackson
EDGE USC- Dude ran a 4.5. serious upside potential at Edge.
KC

63.
Romeo Doubs
WR Nevada-Explosive WR with good size and length. Here's your #2 as Kelce ages and slows down-and eventually your #1 as Hill ages.
KC

95.
Jerome Ford
RB Cincinnati-Veach once said he likes his RB's around 5-11, 220 and fast. Well, here ya go. Ford is like Kareem Hunt with 2 rockets up his ass.
KC

133.
Smoke Monday
S Auburn-Jesus, can we finally get Sorensen outta here? Big hitting safety with athletic upside and a nasty disposition. Dirty who? Also, as a bonus, best name in football.
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duncan_idaho 09:27 AM 12-31-2021
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
KC
31.
Drake Jackson
EDGE USC- Dude ran a 4.5. serious upside potential at Edge.
KC

63.
Romeo Doubs
WR Nevada-Explosive WR with good size and length. Here's your #2 as Kelce ages and slows down-and eventually your #1 as Hill ages.
KC

95.
Jerome Ford
RB Cincinnati-Veach once said he likes his RB's around 5-11, 220 and fast. Well, here ya go. Ford is like Kareem Hunt with 2 rockets up his ass.
KC

133.
Smoke Monday
S Auburn-Jesus, can we finally get Sorensen outta here? Big hitting safety with athletic upside and a nasty disposition. Dirty who? Also, as a bonus, best name in football.
I like all these names. I'm not sure why Jackson's stock seems to be slipping right now.
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Chris Meck 09:36 AM 12-31-2021
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
I like all these names. I'm not sure why Jackson's stock seems to be slipping right now.
cuz bowl games?

Dunno.

Looks like a huge upside edge to me.
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CatfishBob2 03:49 PM 12-31-2021
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
KC
31.
Drake Jackson
EDGE USC- Dude ran a 4.5. serious upside potential at Edge.
KC

63.
Romeo Doubs
WR Nevada-Explosive WR with good size and length. Here's your #2 as Kelce ages and slows down-and eventually your #1 as Hill ages.
KC

95.
Jerome Ford
RB Cincinnati-Veach once said he likes his RB's around 5-11, 220 and fast. Well, here ya go. Ford is like Kareem Hunt with 2 rockets up his ass.
KC

133.
Smoke Monday
S Auburn-Jesus, can we finally get Sorensen outta here? Big hitting safety with athletic upside and a nasty disposition. Dirty who? Also, as a bonus, best name in football.
This looks like a home run
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kccrow 04:34 PM 12-31-2021
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
I like all these names. I'm not sure why Jackson's stock seems to be slipping right now.
Low sack numbers, just like Myjai Sanders. Alot of guys put up 7.5+ and even 10+ compared to his 5.

Just looking at guys that could declare hovering around 10+ you have
Aidan Hutchinson - 14
Sam Williams - 12.5
David Ojabo - 11
Ali Fayad - 13
Jermaine Johnson - 12
Arnold Ebiketie - 9.5
Cam Thomas - 11.5
Isaiah Foskey - 10
Will McDonald - 11.5
Scott Patchan - 10.5
Tyree Johnson - 9
Eyioma Uwazurike - 9
DeAngelo Malone - 9
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Chris Meck 06:48 PM 12-31-2021
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Low sack numbers, just like Myjai Sanders. Alot of guys put up 7.5+ and even 10+ compared to his 5.

Just looking at guys that could declare hovering around 10+ you have
Aidan Hutchinson - 14
Sam Williams - 12.5
David Ojabo - 11
Ali Fayad - 13
Jermaine Johnson - 12
Arnold Ebiketie - 9.5
Cam Thomas - 11.5
Isaiah Foskey - 10
Will McDonald - 11.5
Scott Patchan - 10.5
Tyree Johnson - 9
Eyioma Uwazurike - 9
DeAngelo Malone - 9
and yet some of those guys are expected (at this point, and by who? drafturbators that get paid to prognosticate, so whatever) to go later. I like Williams, but nobody's got him going in the first, and some of the names there go much later.

I kind of zero in on DE at #31 (which is where PFN has us) because the 2nd seems to be a good spot for WR's.
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