Originally Posted by CatfishBob2:
He definitely didn't have a Tom Brady in his division for 10 years lol
To some degree he WAS the Tom Brady of his division.
The Browns and Bengals and their array of awful QBs, plus the Ravens. And Flacco was decent for a fair amount of time but really that's it. By the time Jackson was a thing, Ben was in sharp decline.
During Ben's prime years, Joe Flacco was his only real competition in the division. And he averaged right at 11 wins/season over that period w/ a 3-5 playoff record.
That ain't exactly a sterling resume for a team that had the talent the Steelers routinely trotted out there. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Any other team might be tempted. The Steelers, like you said previously, are notoriously patient with their coaches.
Almost to the point of ambivalent.
A lot of damn good coaches in this league have had gotten fired for having 10 year stretches of relative underperformance like Tomlin has. Now what's worth noting is that most of those teams regretted it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by CatfishBob2:
I would say Big Ben hasn't been in his prime in 4 or 5 years. What owner would can his head coach who can still sniff the playoffs with DUCK hodges?
Name an HC with similar resume? Fired or not
Again, Marty got fired for doing more with less.
13-3 with Steve Bono is a damn miracle. And he never had anything near the complementary talent on his rosters that Tomlin had. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Tomlin needs better coordinators.
I think he's an excellent motivator and seems fairly well organized. He appears to get the respect of his players and does most of those CEO responsibilities well.
I just don't think he's any kind of tactical mastermind, be it offense or defense. He's the kind of HC I think Dave Toub would amount to if he ever got a shot at it.
He needs to be surrounded by creative coordinators that can fill in some of his tactical deficiencies. And I believe Tomlin is now 1 season away from passing Cowher in games coached for them. It just doesn't seem like he's truly been around that long.
And y'know what? As much as I believe Tomlin has a clear ceiling, it's a LOT easier to find good coordinators than it is to find a coach that does the things well that Tomlin does.
So keep hunting for new coordinators and of course a new QB.
It's still completely crazy to me that the Steelers have had 3 head coaches in the last 50+ years.
As much as I dislike them, that organization is the very definition of consistency. And it has worked out fairly well for them.
I've never liked today's "bring it all together in 2-3 years or else" sports world. Of course at the same time, I don't care to revisit a 5 year plan continually extended. The Steelers seem to have found a balance there. Of course, it helps when you actually bring in the right people to lead, which admittedly, is easier said than done. [Reply]
It's still completely crazy to me that the Steelers have had 3 head coaches in the last 50+ years.
I heard this crazy factoid the other day which is a complete contrast to the Steelers organization:
In the entire history of the Cardinals, whether they were the Arizona, Phoenix, St. Louis, or Chicago Cardinals, they've never had a head coach who went longer than 5 seasons.
Yeah, and they're one of the NFL's oldest franchises. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Tomlin needs better coordinators.
I think he's an excellent motivator and seems fairly well organized. He appears to get the respect of his players and does most of those CEO responsibilities well.
I just don't think he's any kind of tactical mastermind, be it offense or defense. He's the kind of HC I think Dave Toub would amount to if he ever got a shot at it.
He needs to be surrounded by creative coordinators that can fill in some of his tactical deficiencies. And I believe Tomlin is now 1 season away from passing Cowher in games coached for them. It just doesn't seem like he's truly been around that long.
And y'know what? As much as I believe Tomlin has a clear ceiling, it's a LOT easier to find good coordinators than it is to find a coach that does the things well that Tomlin does.
So keep hunting for new coordinators and of course a new QB.
It's still completely crazy to me that the Steelers have had 3 head coaches in the last 50+ years.