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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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O.city 12:51 PM 07-20-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
No, I don't see that.

Problem in the US is we never get data but propaganda.

Other countries are more transparent but the process is unfolding right now.

They seem to do something (reduce symptoms) for a while but I am not sold on 99% suppression of death either.

Remember, the sliver of people that were vulnerable was really small to start with. In order to suppress death the vaccines need to stimulate the weakest people's immune systems. The initial clinical trials were mostly young and healthy.

This picture paints about 3000 words. pic.twitter.com/IJ6AJA1YEr

— Alison Buttenheim (@abuttenheim) July 20, 2021

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MahomesMagic 01:05 PM 07-20-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
Again, it doesn't.

Could it be doing something, having an effect? Sure.

But how do you separate that out from the build up of population immunity, the vulnerable already died, the variant transmits better but is less virulent?

Remember, these same people showed graphs touting the vaccines when they looked like mirror copies from a year ago (seasonality forgotten).

I don't have an answer. But I can say some people are probably jumping the gun.
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O.city 02:08 PM 07-20-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Again, it doesn't.

Could it be doing something, having an effect? Sure.

But how do you separate that out from the build up of population immunity, the vulnerable already died, the variant transmits better but is less virulent?

Remember, these same people showed graphs touting the vaccines when they looked like mirror copies from a year ago (seasonality forgotten).

I don't have an answer. But I can say some people are probably jumping the gun.
If it's age stratified, the vulnerable argument wouldn't necessarily hold. Same for population immunity as that would reflect in cases I'd think.

If it were less virulent, the death rates among the unvaccinated would be lower. Last I looked, they weren't.
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Bearcat 02:26 PM 07-20-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
If it's age stratified, the vulnerable argument wouldn't necessarily hold. Same for population immunity as that would reflect in cases I'd think.

If it were less virulent, the death rates among the unvaccinated would be lower. Last I looked, they weren't.
Was basically going to say the same thing... those three things are all constants relative to comparing vaccinated vs unvaccinated. They either help or hurt both populations' numbers.
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O.city 07:15 PM 07-20-2021
https://twitter.com/rak3re/status/14...480359427?s=21

Good thread
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Chief Roundup 08:08 PM 07-20-2021
The hospital I work at is now making changes to other buildings and floors in preparation for worse conditions than they had in 2020.
They are having doctors and therapists cancel elective procedures or move therapies to off-site buildings. We installed 12 new air scrubbers in rooms that were not covid ready. Now those rooms are negative pressure. We are going to do several annex buildings tomorrow.
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Chief Pagan 08:33 PM 07-20-2021
Originally Posted by carlos3652:
I think people need to understand, Vaxxed or Unvaxxed, you will get Covid. The probability of getting really really sick is low for unvaxxed and basically null for vaxxed.

The other thing that bothers me, is that even if the US is 100% vaxxed, that doesnt stop the strain to evolve or mutate in other parts of the world, the strain will eventually get here as well.
Yes, even those that are vaccinated can get and pass on the Delta virus, but not as well. 100% vaccination rate would get us to the fabled land of herd immunity and the virus wouldn't circulate.

I suppose some future mutation might have a R greater than 1.0 and still circulate barring a booster shot.
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Sure-Oz 10:13 PM 07-20-2021
@DrEricDing: ALMOST DOMINANT—The #DeltaVariant is now 83% of all sequenced samples in US, says @CDCDirector, up from 50% ~2 weeks ago. "We should think about Delta variant as the 2020 version of #COVID19 on steroids” says @ASlavitt. Dear @CDCgov—please update masks.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/20/healt...day/index.html

@DrEricDing: 6) the #DeltaVariant is nearing total domination. Delta is COVID on steroids. I kid you not. https://twitter.com/drericding/statu...21491856568334
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Rain Man 10:24 PM 07-20-2021
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz:
@DrEricDing: ALMOST DOMINANT—The #DeltaVariant is now 83% of all sequenced samples in US, says @CDCDirector, up from 50% ~2 weeks ago. "We should think about Delta variant as the 2020 version of #COVID19 on steroids” says @ASlavitt. Dear @CDCgov—please update masks.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/20/healt...day/index.html

@DrEricDing: 6) the #DeltaVariant is nearing total domination. Delta is COVID on steroids. I kid you not. https://twitter.com/drericding/statu...21491856568334

This makes me wonder where we'd be right now if we didn't have the vaccines so quickly.
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Pitt Gorilla 11:30 PM 07-20-2021
This one really stinks. F Covid.

https://cbs2iowa.com/news/nation-wor...0sFmHVaaxbNWYg

Georgia deputy loses 5-year-old son to COVID-19

"I have lost my best friend."

A Whitfield County, Georgia deputy and his wife are mourning the loss of their 5-year-old boy to COVID-19.

Wyatt Gary Gibson died on Friday, July 16, after a short battle with the virus, family members told our Atlanta affiliate station WSB-TV.

Wyatt was the son of Whitfield County Sheriff's Lt. Wes Gibson and Alexis Gibson. He was the older brother to a 9-month-old sister.

"My little buddy. My best friend. My helper," wrote Wes Gibson in a Facebook post Sunday, "In a way I know that you're still here, but I miss you so damn much! I wish this was one adventure that you did not start... I have lost my best friend."

"There are no words that can be spoken to ease his pain and the pain of his family. Lt. Gibson is a dedicated public servant of Whitfield County that truly cares about our community. He is one of the best of us at the Sheriff’s Office," wrote Juan Martinez on Facebook.

Family members told WSB-TV that the whole family got sick, but only Wyatt ended up having complications, including a stroke and COVID pneumonia.

Wyatt passed away at Erlanger Hospital in Chattanooga on Friday, according to his obituary.

Community members are coming around the Gibson family as they grieve.

A GoFundMe campaign has been started for the Gibsons to help pay for medical bills and funeral costs. A Meal Train for the family has also been started.

"May the care and love of those around them provide comfort and peace to get them through this time of heartache," wrote Tunnel Hill Police Department in a statement on Facebook.
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TLO 07:23 AM 07-21-2021
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
This makes me wonder where we'd be right now if we didn't have the vaccines so quickly.
In a very, very bad place
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O.city 07:34 AM 07-21-2021
https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/s...283816448?s=21
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Swanman 07:40 AM 07-21-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/s...283816448?s=21
I am curious how the data set will change once more delta variant infections are included. That data was up to date through alpha it looks like. Obviously the sterilizing immunity will drop from the around 90% but anything above 65% or so is still very acceptable. Also have to combat the rampant disinformation / incompetent messaging.
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Swanman 07:41 AM 07-21-2021
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
This makes me wonder where we'd be right now if we didn't have the vaccines so quickly.
The whole country would look more like SW Missouri.
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suzzer99 08:02 AM 07-21-2021

“One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late.” --Dr. Brytney Cobia, Birmingham, AL. https://t.co/bjU1WA4vKN

— Dodes (@racheld) July 21, 2021

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