The BigXII shot itself in the foot yesterday with the round-robin setup. 4 of the 5 P5 conferences have a championship game. The higher seed in each of those games got into the playoffs...whether those are the 4 top teams or not. I don't think FSU or OSU are a top 4 team...but that's for another thread.
The Big12 is going to be relying on the lower seed to win one of these championship games from her on out if they choose not to have a B12 CCG. IMO, that isn't a good way to get your conference represented in the playoffs...
The round-robin is cute...but until they expand to 8 teams. The B12 could find themselves in this situation more often than Not.
The Baylor vs KSU was the championship argument is flawed as is the B12 could have had 2 teams in the playoffs...
So....to get the B12 back to....12 teams, what two teams would you add?
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
That’s a zero sum game from any particular college perspective and in no way no moves Missouri up the ladder in and of itself.
You said you have to learn to cheat better. My point is that, what used to be considered cheating, is now legal.
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
That’s a zero sum game from any particular college perspective and in no way no moves Missouri up the ladder in and of itself.
Wrong.
Schools can, and have, engage in bidding wars for players. All out in the open.
Mizzou not good at that yet? Guess you need some alumni with deeper pockets. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan: That’s a zero sum game from any particular college perspective and in no way no moves Missouri up the ladder in and of itself.
So is cheating, outside of the fake moral high ground where we pretend the only schools that cheat are the schools who get caught cheating (much less the fake integrity of looking down on schools that give athletes money while the NCAA makes millions off those athletes, then joining another conference for only monetary reasons). [Reply]
Schools can, and have, engage in bidding wars for players. All out in the open.
Mizzou not good at that yet? Guess you need some alumni with deeper pockets.
NIL is relatively new, so it remains to be seen how it plays out. But I really don't see how this benefits Mizzou vs any other wannabe football school that's not particularly high profile as far as nationally televised games.
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
So is cheating, outside of the fake moral high ground where we pretend the only schools that cheat are the schools who get caught cheating (much less the fake integrity of looking down on schools that give athletes money while the NCAA makes millions off those athletes, then joining another conference for only monetary reasons).
All of the college rankings is a zero sum game.
A bunch of schools aren't suddenly going to be elite because they joined one of the two power conferences. Fans seem to have a tendency to overlook that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
All of the college rankings is a zero sum game.
A bunch of schools aren't suddenly going to be elite because they joined one of the two power conferences. Fans seem to have a tendency to overlook that.
Yeah, that's what makes all of these narratives completely pointless.... everyone is purely guessing the B1G and SEC will be these 32 team conferences or whatever. People assume joining one of those conferences will immediately improve recruiting and what not, but you're still competing with the same schools you were competing with before.
Then you have the really obvious variables like hiring competent coaches and administration and so forth... and by the time you might start seeing benefits of that extra money and whatever other benefits actually come to fruition, who the hell knows how you're aligned within a larger conference, if playoffs expand or stay the same, etc.
And 10 or 20 years pass and some schools will figure out the money grab isn't worth it and will look elsewhere and we'll start the cycle over again because we're fucking idiots.
The athletic departments are largely just along for the ride of the money grab. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
But in some ways, it probably would have been better if football and basketball were not part of college.
The money has made a huge mess of it.
Pretty sure the US is the only country in the world that does it this way.
It makes a lot of sense in terms of wanting kids to go to college and most athletes are actually there for school... but yeah, mixing the two and pretending it's all about the kids while there are billions of dollars at stake is really dumb. [Reply]
Mizzou will end up exactly as we predicted, another carbon copy of South Carolina who hasn’t done diddly dick in 30+ years in that league. Or Arkansas, neither has ever won the league and neither ever will. At least Arky has had some national stage success in hoops which South Carolina + MU won’t
At least they will all have the same thing keeping them going: “conference Pride” [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Pretty sure the US is the only country in the world that does it this way.
It makes a lot of sense in terms of wanting kids to go to college and most athletes are actually there for school... but yeah, mixing the two and pretending it's all about the kids while there are billions of dollars at stake is really dumb.
Yeah but other countries instead have kids go into the FIFA system and the corruption in that makes our colleges look like child's play [Reply]
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Mizzou will end up exactly as we predicted, another carbon copy of South Carolina who hasn’t done diddly dick in 30+ years in that league. Or Arkansas, neither has ever won the league and neither ever will. At least Arky has had some national stage success in hoops which South Carolina + MU won’t
At least they will all have the same thing keeping them going: “conference Pride”
I thought June was "Conference Pride" month, but they're still here. Loud and proud banging that drum for their betters. [Reply]