Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I should probably sit the next few plays out so I don’t get in the way of enthralling dialogue over masturbatory roasted tubers.
I wish he'd have come back, and while he did make a difference and was a good player for us, I think his contribution to last season has been a little bit overstated. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Yeah. Very true. Not so much not doing as much as not trying. But they've put some moderately high resources into the DL. Reed last year, some 3rd rounders etc.
Just not alot to show.
K-Pass and Speaks are interesting demonstrations because they do kinda show that the Chiefs are attacking from all directions.
I mean strictly as prospects go, you couldn't get much different than those 2. One was an Adonis with limited productivity at a small school. The other was a fat shit. One was a guy who won on strength and you hoped you could coach technique. The other was a fat shit.
One guy was clearly someone who's ceiling was incredibly appealing and had the same kind of profile as someone like, say, Kaindoh. The other...was a fat shit.
So credit to the Chiefs - they ARE taking varied approaches here. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
I'd imagine Oweh and Ojulari are very similar prospect wise to Karlaftis. Which again, isn't bad at all. Good players.
But finding a great pass rusher in the late first just isn't likely to happen.
You can continue to win and be successful this way for sure, but you're leaning hard into developing traits from guys who aren't as polished later in the draft. And as DJ and I discussed, this regime isn't very good at that from a DE/DL perspective thus far.
You’re completely talking out of your ass.
Since Oweh, Ojulari, and Karlaftis aren’t great players today you get to pretend like they can’t be.
Oweh in particular has ridiculous upside, and he hasn’t even scratched the surface.
The Ravens drafted Judon on day 3, Smith on day 3 too, and they turned out to be great players.
Oweh has more upside than both of those guys.
Trey Hendrickson was drafted on day 2 and has turned into a great player. His physical/athletic profile is very similar to Karlaftis.
Ojulari had 8 sacks as a rookie, and absolutely looks like he has the upside to be a double digit sack guy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Yeah. Very true. Not so much not doing as much as not trying. But they've put some moderately high resources into the DL. Reed last year, some 3rd rounders etc.
I would like to see an analysis of every draft position in recent times which has produced a player with 10 career sacks, 20 career sacks, etc. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
You’re completely talking out of your ass.
Since Oweh, Ojulari, and Karlaftis aren’t great players today you get to pretend like they can’t be.
Oweh in particular has ridiculous upside, and he hasn’t even scratched the surface.
The Ravens drafted Judon on day 3, Smith on day 2, and they turned out to be great players.
Oweh has more upside than both of those guys.
Trey Hendrickson was drafted on day 3 and has turned into a great player. His physical/athletic profile is very similar to Karlaftis.
Ojulari had 8 sacks as a rookie, and absolutely looks like he has the upside to be a double digit sack guy.
"Isn't likely" /= "can't"
How many DL were taken in the back of the 1st/front half of the 2nd last year?
Looks like about 10 from Paye to Odeyingbo. I mean how many 'great' prospects to do you see in that spread?
I think there are some guys who are likely to be pretty good. Honestly I wouldn't say any of them are 'likely' to be great. Ojulari probably has the highest ceiling. Maybe Oweh. Maybe Paye. But do I see any of those guys as 'likely' double-digit sack players long-term? Eh, not really. I mean if you let me take the field I'd say one of them likely would be. But again - those aren't great odds and I don't think any one of them specifically are a great bet there.
It's all about odds and large numbers. The odds of getting an impact player there aren't great. But again - I don't even care. I can live with 4 high-quality players on the DL. As it stands right now, I see half that. And given development curves, attacking it this year more aggressively would've paid off w/ a more open draft board next year (whereas I still think the Chiefs will need to be aggressive in addressing DL in the draft next season at this point). [Reply]
It wasn’t likely that Mahomes was going to be the best QB in the NFL, and possibly ever, and make it to 10.
It wasn’t likely that Tyreek Hill was going to be a 5’9” WR drafted in the 5th round playing WR for like 2 years and be the best WR in the NFL.
It wasn’t likely that Travis Kelce was going to be the best TE in the NFL and one of the best ever.
It wasn’t likely that Justin Houston was going to be a great pass rusher drafted in the 3rd round (even without the weed thing, he’s a late 1st at best).
It wasn’t likely that a guy with Tamba Hali’s athletic profile was going to be a great pass rusher.
It wasn’t likely that Judon, Smith, or Hendrickson were going to be great pass rushers.
I really don’t give a fuck what you all deem as “unlikely” because it really doesn’t mean anything. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
It wasn’t likely that Mahomes was going to be the best QB in the NFL, and possibly ever, and make it to 10.
It wasn’t likely that Tyreek Hill was going to be a 5’9” WR drafted in the 5th round playing WR for like 2 years and be the best WR in the NFL.
It wasn’t likely that Travis Kelce was going to be the best TE in the NFL and one of the best ever.
It wasn’t likely that Justin Houston was going to be a great pass rusher drafted in the 3rd round (even without the weed thing, he’s a late 1st at best).
It wasn’t likely that a guy with Tamba Hali’s athletic profile was going to be a great pass rusher.
It wasn’t likely that Judon, Smith, or Hendrickson were going to be great pass rushers.
I really don’t give a fuck what you all deem as “unlikely” because it really doesn’t mean anything.
You cite Mahomes and I think QB is perfectly demonstrative of the point.
Hell, it's not 'likely' that any QB taken anywhere is going to be an upper echelon guy. It's just the nature of the beast.
And what did those of us that were banging on the drum for a QB for years saying? The odds don't mean shit if you don't make an effort. And in the end, if you fail, you try again. And you keep shooting your shot until you hit.
Ultimately it became moot when our first shot was a dagger from 24 feet. But if it didn't work, I wouldn't have said "hey, finding a QB is hard - don't try".
I'd have said to get back on the horse and try again. And until you get it right, you keep attacking it.
I look at this DL and man, it sure doesn't look to me like they've 'got it right' - would you disagree?
It's just awfully strange to me how the draft forum had a pretty damn near universal consensus that this was an awfully good draft to attack our biggest weakness and use the Bills 2021 draft approach to goose the DL with talent.
Then we didn't do it and suddenly "eh, that's fine...."
Curious how that tends to work out with some folks. [Reply]
