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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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BigCatDaddy 11:10 AM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by Kidd Lex:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/polit...ess/index.html

Guess the $600 unemployment benefits simply being extended wasn’t a no brainer after all. I got roasted for pointing this out weeks ago. Here’s to hoping the government extends the benefits while also incentivizing those that go back to work. It will be an epic disaster if benefits are ended altogether.

“expected to release their proposal this week, are generally loath to extend the full benefit. They feel it creates a disincentive for people to return to work, a concern echoed by some business owners. Instead, GOP lawmakers are considering scaling back the enhancement by several hundred dollars and creating a bonus for those who go back to work.“
This seems to make sense.
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O.city 11:31 AM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by Kidd Lex:
That’s incredible. T Cells being created in almost all infected is huge, and with the news from Oxford that their vaccine creates three fold the immune protection of a natural infection things are starting to look much more hopeful to get past this pandemic in the next 6-12 months.
I’m really optimistic by Christmas it’ll be in the rear view

Or hopeful
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AustinChief 12:13 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
It's the one "herd immunity" theory that seems like it's got a CHANCE to be true. Let's hope so.
There has been a ton of evidence pointing this direction for quite awhile but people either dismiss or ignore it.

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Kidd Lex 12:16 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by AustinChief:
There has been a ton of evidence pointing this direction for quite awhile but people either dismiss or ignore it.

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100% accurate. Seems like now we are starting to put science to the assumptions.
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lewdog 12:20 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by AustinChief:
There has been a ton of evidence pointing this direction for quite awhile but people either dismiss or ignore it.

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And like anything with a new virus there’s information showing the opposite. People are showing the ability to get reinfected with some showing only short term immunity. It may not be common now but it could become more common as immunity wears off for those infected earlier this year. That could provide herd immunity as almost impossible.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost...ing-635550/amp
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Johnny Vegas 12:24 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by Kidd Lex:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/polit...ess/index.html

Guess the $600 unemployment benefits simply being extended wasn’t a no brainer after all. I got roasted for pointing this out weeks ago. Here’s to hoping the government extends the benefits while also incentivizing those that go back to work. It will be an epic disaster if benefits are ended altogether.

“expected to release their proposal this week, are generally loath to extend the full benefit. They feel it creates a disincentive for people to return to work, a concern echoed by some business owners. Instead, GOP lawmakers are considering scaling back the enhancement by several hundred dollars and creating a bonus for those who go back to work.“
I know people still waiting to get the first unemployment check and they’re already back at work after 2 months laid off.
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AustinChief 12:26 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
And like anything with a new virus there’s information showing the opposite. People are showing the ability to get reinfected with some showing only short term immunity. It may not be common now but it could become more common as immunity wears off for those infected earlier this year. That could provide herd immunity as almost impossible.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost...ing-635550/amp
Yay anecdotes! An actual study of people exposed to SARS in 2003 showed they had T Cells that were effective at fighting off Covid.

It's possible that some miniscule percentage of people can be reinfected but right now there is little reason to focus on that when more and more evidence shows that even when antibodies fade, T Cell responses persist.

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Donger 12:30 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by AustinChief:
There has been a ton of evidence pointing this direction for quite awhile but people either dismiss or ignore it.

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Or missed this ton of evidence.
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AustinChief 12:36 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Or missed this ton of evidence.
It's all been posted here (or in DC) before.

Cross immunity
T Cell responses
Heterogeneity of susceptibility
...the list at goes on...

Feel free to search for yourself.
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lewdog 12:36 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by AustinChief:
Yay anecdotes! An actual study of people exposed to SARS in 2003 showed they had T Cells that were effective at fighting off Covid.

It's possible that some miniscule percentage of people can be reinfected but right now there is little reason to focus on that when more and more evidence shows that even when antibodies fade, T Cell responses persist.

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Wasn’t my point, but you’re talking in absolutes on immunity when that’s clearly not the case. And I know from hospitals here they are seeing people return with second COVID infections. It IS happening.
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Donger 12:40 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by AustinChief:
It's all been posted here (or in DC) before.

Cross immunity
T Cell responses
Heterogeneity of susceptibility
...the list at goes on...

Feel free to search for yourself.
I thought you were saying that there's a ton of evidence that herd immunity is happening. Apologies if that isn't correct.
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AustinChief 12:52 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
I thought you were saying that there's a ton of evidence that herd immunity is happening. Apologies if that isn't correct.
No, unfortunately there is not enough hard evidence for that yet. (It seems likely though... At least to a degree)

We'll get a better picture as more places that were hit hard early start to open up.
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jdubya 01:07 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Wasn’t my point, but you’re talking in absolutes on immunity when that’s clearly not the case. And I know from hospitals here they are seeing people return with second COVID infections. It IS happening.
are there any trends with second infections as to if they are affecting patients the same, better or worse than the first infection?
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lewdog 01:11 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by jdubya:
are there any trends with second infections as to if they are affecting patients the same, better or worse than the first infection?
Usually it’s a more mild case but we are seeing more severe second infections as well. Just like everything about this virus, it’s so damn variable from person to person. I still think the viral load you’re subjected to plays a huge role in severity of cases and likely your ability to get reinfected.
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BryanBusby 01:14 PM 07-19-2020
Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas:
I know people still waiting to get the first unemployment check and they’re already back at work after 2 months laid off.
I was long back to work before I ever saw any money from the state of Kansas.
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